Here is the information from Jim.. "My Cl PT is right outside the study window; if it has shortish stems on long canes and turns a dark purplish red in fade, I would guess yes, it is. The other possibility would be Red Sweetheart, since that is a lighter color than PT." I questioned if Red Sweetheart would achieve that size... "No. Not usually, but remember that they are pretty much the same crosses (LAK, RS, ClPT), and have potential for size that largely goes unrecorded....If I hadnâÂÂt seen LAK at CaroleâÂÂs, I would never believe that it could cover the side of a garage...." From HMF for Red Sweetheart: The discussion of parentage in the patent is rather complicated, but the parentage is not. Apparently this rose resulted from this cross: (open-pollinated seedling of a red rose) x 'Cecile Brunner'. (The red rose was derived from 'Cecile Brunner', and was the male parent in 'Pasadena Tournament'). (Throughout the patent, Cecile is misspelled as Cecil) Your guess would be as good as anyone's whether this is Red Sweetheart, Lady Ann Kidwell or Cl Pasadena Tournament. Kim

Left to its own devices, LAK will 'build' in the fashion of old Chinas, and just continue to grow and occupy a space; I also saw the very old LAK in Glendale that never received any water other than runoff from a lawn, no fertilizer and no treatments for fungi or insects. It had grown to the size of a standard garage height and about as half as wide. It was subsequently cut down to within two feet of its base and continued to thrive and grow. My own LAK which has to be twenty years old has grown to 9 to 10 feet tall and about half as wide, only to be reduced to half that size with no reduction in eagerness to bloom. I guess the correct answer to your question as to size would be: it will grow to whatever size you want it to be--at least in southern California.

I love Jeri's photos of LAK so much that I ordered her last winter/early spring lol. She came across the country and must have hit a cold spot somewhere along the way. (my mistake for being greedy and not waiting till it was warmer). It arrived as 3 brown sticks. I set her potted in the garden anyway and watered extremely sparingly. After a few months, she came back from the roots! She is very happy here in our heat and humidity. I love her quilled blooms. She has put most her energy into her nice green foliage this year. I hope to get more blooms next year. She makes me think of Christmas. All ribbons and bows. ~Sjn

Sheila, I think it will. In fact, it can become quite large, if you let it. Ours is over 5-ft., and round. But we almost lost it to gophers twice -- which set it back some. But I have seen a very old plant reach up to the level of 2 stories. Lisa is correct that it doesn't look much like a Polyantha. It's one of those roses Vintage called "Poly-Teas" and is quite Tea-like, in both bloom size and habit. It's bred from 'Mlle. Cecile Brunner' and some Tea Rose, and I suspect they called it a Polyantha because in its time, who would buy a Tea Rose? I don't know how it would do elsewhere, but in SoCal, it's peerless ... and I've found it in 1-2 old cemeteries, so we know it's tough.