I'm sure one of the painting experts will be along to comment, but yes I think a primer

should have been used. Try painting over black with white and the black will show through right? So it also depends what color is on the wall to start with. And yes, paint swatches can be very different from actual, a lot depends on lighting and what other colors are in the room, also daylight in your situation. Lots to consider.

Remove that 4" back splash while you are renovating. It's dated.

see what a huge difference it makes.

How you perceive color depends on how much of the color there is. Blue on a big wall will always look bluer than the same blue in a little drop on the can. Primer isn't going to solve that problem.

If you want the blue to be less intense, you either need a lighter blue or a more grayed-out blue.

It's also angles, lighting, what it is next to for contrast, etc. If you don't like the color, primer isn't going to fix it. You need a different color.

On my screen, your wall looks substantially darker than what's on the paint can. Were those pics taken in the same room under the same lighting? Have difficulty believing it's the yellow causing that much of a difference. I'd be tempted to try it on a white surface (a dollar store art canvas, for example) to compare.

I dont think primer is necessary.

primer is necessary

I don't think primer is necessary when painting over paint. Primer is used as a first coat over raw wood or drywall, because so much soaks in.

There is no such thing as "2 in 1" (I assume you mean paint and primer in one). This is a marketing gimmick. Primer is a lot cheaper than paint - if you need primer, that's what you buy. "2 in 1" is a trick to get you to buy an extra can of paint (at a higher cost), because you are essentially using the paint as primer.

If you painted latex over latex, then a lack of primer wont hurt anything. However, you wont get a true color anyway, until you put on the 2nd coat, even if that paint says 1 coat coverage. It always looks better with 2 coats of paint.. I prefer the color on the wall, over what is dried on paint can. Looks nice.

I have tried many different brands of paint over the years. In my experience there is no such thing as one coat paint. I always use two coats. The first coat I use the same brand primer tinted the color of paint I am using. The second coat is the tinted paint. Light colors are hard to see how they will come out from a small dot on a can or even a color chip. It usual comes out darker than you think. The last time I painted my bedroom I used a very light blue. When I opened the can I could of swore it was white paint, but once on the wall and dried it was blue. When using light colors I always go one or two shades lighter than what is on the paint chip.

Shouldn't need primer when painting over paint (unless they are incompatible paints or you need to stop stains from oozing or...). I think a second coat is a good idea anyway.

You will have less wall showing when you get your stuff in, remember. And it actually looks really good in that nice blue. (Are you keeping the yellow hood? It's pretty cool. I guess you might paint it if you aren't a UCLA fan, but I like it.)

Always prime. Always 2 top coats.

Lighting in a room will effect the color.. always

primer is just that.

2 coats, maybe three now.

Primer is cheap(er than paint) insurance.

Part of the problem is that the paint bucket lid is gray and makes the blue paint look less blue. Primer isn't going to change this. If you don't like the blue color on the wall, stop now and buy new paint ...

Angel 18432 would you be willing to share the name of the backsplash tiles in your photos?

There's less blue and less blue, chispa. On my monitor, the wall is looking 3 shades darker than the paint lid one. Like looking at the top and bottom chips on a Benjamin Moore four chip strip.

Prep always includes priming if the job is being done correctly. But there are so many $100 a room "painters" out there that don't do any prep at all these days. And don't paint well either. There is no point to DIY a job if you aren't going to try to do it as well as the best Pro. Half the reason people DIY is to be able to take the time to do the job right. It isn't to do it badly and wrong and have to have a Pro come in and fix it.

"No point to DIY a job if you aren't going to try to do it as well as the best Pro." How absurd....

You need to prime!

Did you get a sample and try that first? Is the paint dry in your picture? The lid of the bucket appears to have been taken in a shopping cart - I am sure the lighting has a huge effect on this so it is difficult to compare

If the paint comes from the bucket you took the picture of, then it's your lighting. I cut out a glob of paint from the lid and put it on your walls. Then I darkened it to make sure it's the same hue. It is.

Primer will not make a difference here. It simply keeps the underneath color from bleeding through and that's not happening here. You either need more light in the room or a lighter color.

did you ever try a sample on your walls? you can't go off some splatter on the lid!

what brand paint is this? cheaper paints have weaker pigments which require more coverage which makes them not so cheap because you have to do double the painting!)

give it a second coat and bring in some decent lighting. (Daylight bulbs. 4000K. you'll get a truer blue color than those yellow based lights you currently have) And of course you know that paint dries darker than what it looks like in the can?

My painter primes 90% of the time, no matter what.

I don’t think lack of primer is your problem. The color is magnified when there is more of it, and color look far lighter when one looks at it from above (down on the paint can lid), that when it is upright on a wall.

I once made a big mistake with a fabric due to this - looked great with all the other fabrics while lying on a table with bright light shining down on it. When I got it home and laid it over the back of the chair for which it was intended, I was horrified - downright garish. Fortunately, I was able to use it on a bench in the room and it was fine flat.

Primer doesn't necessarily help with color changes. Also, there is no primer in the can of 2 in 1 paint anyway. That's just a marketing trick. The way to cover up one color with another is by painting over it with a different color. Whether you use primer or paint to do that doesn't matter. One coat primer plus one topcoat is the same as two topcoats.

The issue isn't the lack of primer. The issue is the paint color on the wall isn't the color you want.

This photo of Caught in the Rain is similar to how it appears on your wall.

Caught in the Rain

One way to know how dark your paint will appear is to look at the LRV, light reflecting value, of the paint. If you have the paint chip for Caught in the Rain, check the LRV. The higher the number on a scale of 0 to 100, the lighter it is going to appear. I suspect you want something in the range of 75 or higher.

There is a color specialist who posts here who can explain this much better and in more detail than I can.

When we were choosing a paint color for our kitchen, I bought 3 small sample cans, and painted big swatches in 3 locations. Then I watched how the colors changed over the course of 2 days: in early morning sunlight, indirect sunlight, and indoor lighting. It was amazing how much the lighting impacted each color! It took some time and a few bucks, but the exercise was well worth it - the color I thought I wanted was not the one we chose.

If you like it now, you'll love it with a second coat! Thanks fort he update.

So your happy with the color in this room, but not the kitchen. Maybe you need a lighter

color in the kitchen because of lighting.

The purpose of primer is to prime the surface for the NEW color/coat of paint.

If the color you chose doesn't require a tinted undercoat and the substrate you're painting is clean, dry and without issues, then there's no reason for a coat of primer.

Two coats of the topcoat color are ALWAYS necessary.

If you want to get the same color you see on the paint chip, you need two, full, even coats. On walls and sample boards.

Because paint chips are engineered to match the two coat standard.

If the color looks different in the space than expected, and the mixed gallons do indeed match the chip, then it's a case of the color appearance under the inherent light source.

Paint chips are made with lacquer-based paint, btw. Ink doesn't even make sense because the range of colors you can make with ink is limited - especially compared to a typical fandeck.

Paint & Primer in 1.....is like saying "Cake & Frosting in 1"!!

Come-ON People!!!!

Primer-resins & Paint resins are two WAY different things!

Primers are designed to increase the ADHESION of the Paint to the substrate, AND to seal-up the variations in porosity. This enables the TWO topcoats of finish-paints to adhere better, and to perfectly even sheen-development.

2 questions:

* Ladies- How many coats of Nail-Polish do you apply.....and WHY? ;-)

* On cars- Most of you probably know that your Car is meticulously prepped & primed BEFORE paint & clearcoat ever touch it! WHY?!

* What would happen IF.....I gave 10 people (doesn't matter if they're "Pro's" or not....!) a loaded roller, each with EXACTLY the same roller, color, & brand of paint, & put each in an identical room. Their instructions are to roll out a "full coat of paint".

>>>> Obviously, no 2 people will have the same area covered!!!! Some may blame the paint. Others will probably say it's the best paint they've ever used!

But......how can this be?!?!!? ;-)

Everything's the SAME! What's the variable here?

Faron

Well, cake pops are crumbled up cake and frosting in one. With more frosting on top. So, cake....mmmmm

It's very obviously the lighting. The bottom right of the very first photo posted (where the light is shining on the wall) looks just like the paint on the lid. And look at your last photo. The corner of that photo looks the same as the darker section of your first photo. You like the color in the last photo because you're focusing on the large section of wall that is in bright light. The white trim also makes a big difference.

Was just thinking about this post and thought I would share an updated photo. Still have a lot of work to do to finish the renovation, but really happy with the wall color!

On my screen, your wall colour looks lovely. Happy you're happy. Hope the rest goes well for you.

I like the color too. Your kitchen is looking very nice. Congratulations on all your hard work.

Doing it right the first time (prep and primer) takes less time and money than doing it over again.