PROS for Slide In Range with No Counter Overlap

5 years ago

What are the PROS/CONS of a Slide In Range that DOES NOT have the range top counter overlap? I am considering a Jenn Air Electric range and was told by the Sales Rep that they redesigned the Slide In Range because there were complaints with the previous overlap design that created installation problems, i.e. counter needs to be notched and the overlap may not sit flat on the counter. I noted that other brands with the overlap have a notice posted on the display that installation may require a counter modification.

I am aware of 3 CONS to the Overlap, i.e. 3 PROS for No Overlap

1. Notching the counter top may be an issue 10 years from now, when I may need to replace my range, particularly if the trend goes toward no overlap slide ins.

2. The overlap would not allow any liquid spills to be contained within the range and would spill off to the counter.

3. The overlap just creates another edge for crumbs and gunk to get caught, much like my current drop in kitchen sink .

I know the no overlap means I'll still have the crumb problem that I have with my free standing, but some of the cons of the overlap may outweigh that issue.

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5 years ago

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It’s not a slide in range unless it has the flanges and the sides are unfinished. It’s just a freestanding with front controls. Despite the marketers.

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K R
5 years ago
I have a Jenn-Air range and have a small area between range and countertop like you’re describing. I bought these 2 stainless pieces on Amazon, they work well to fill that small space and look fine.
K R
5 years ago
I guess I didn’t read your question thoroughly, so I can’t really give you a PRO but I didn’t like that space and didn’t account for it before the appliances were delivered so this was my solution.
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nehome
Original Author
5 years ago
I don't know if the sides are unfinished but I'm not sure that matters to me. I'm more concerned with obvious function and design features. The knobs in the front versus the knobs in the back with a traditional freestanding is most important to me. The Cons that I mentioned may make this the perfect option regardless of whether it meets the criteria for slide in. Unless there is some other true slide in feature that I'm missing?

Something else I realized is that I thought slide ins don't sit flush against the wall and require a piece of counter top behind the cooktop. None of the slide in ranges I looked at in the showroom seemed to install like that?
User
5 years ago
It’s about fashion. And that’s why they cost more.
writersblock (9b/10a)
5 years ago
None of the slide in ranges I looked at in the showroom seemed to install like that?

No, because the main market for backless ranges, whether or not they are true slide-ins, is replacing a range with a high back. As Sophie said, it's a style thing, and the current designs are more practical in anything but new construction because you don't have to worry about that missing back section of countertop.
nehome
Original Author
5 years ago
OK yes I like the design and willing to pay the cost so are there any other Advantages/Disadvantages to the no overlap? (I will be replacing countertops so that is not of concern just an observation of how the slide-in design is different than what I remember last time I shopped for a range.)
kim k
5 years ago
Nehome i have the same question. Hopefully someone answers!
User
5 years ago
Your paying more money for functional equilavancy. There are no advantages. It’s all about style.
Jane
5 years ago
Both countertops (left and right) must be perfectly level with each other front to back. No overlap is more forgiving because the stovetop can be at a higher level if needed to mask differences in level between two unconnected countertops/cabinets.

The overlap ranges I looked at looked funny to me, and were more expensive. I would have preferred a stovetop integrated into a cabinet/countertop because it gives the illusion of more countertop space. I used my old range as a countertop. With the new one, I am trying to prevent scratches, so I respect it more and try not to put stuff on it. Now I don’t mind if the stovetop is raised a bit.

Also a separate stovetop had controls integrated into the horizontal surface which would have gotten in the way for me. The alternative was touch controls which may have accidentally been turned on. So I feel safer with the controls on a vertical surface in the back. Especially when I had a dog that was a counter surfer.

I really didn’t want the range, but I got a pretty one for a good price, so I am happy with it as a design element. (The range and refrigerator are viewable from the living room.)
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Anne Duke
5 years ago
As long as it fits the space there’s little advantage one way or the other. Both will allow kitchen grime to filter down or get stuck. Personally, I think the overlap is just a feeble attempt to make it look built in. I’m looking too, strictly for the appearance, knowing I’ll still need to use Range Kleen or another brand of protection.
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nehome
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5 years ago
Kim K Here is an additional consideration with this Jenn Air range -The instructions provide two installation options

Slide In Cutout: Allows for a strip of counter top behind the range, similar to the cutout that would be made for a typical overlap slide in. Instructions state that with this option the front of the oven door may protrude beyond the base cabinet. It does not appear to specify the depth of the cutout required but states that the counter strip should be no more than 2 1/4"

Freestanding Cutout: Counter strip is not shown. This should allow the range to be pushed up against the wall reducing the protrusion beyond the cabinet.

In my case, the range will be installed in the corner of an L layout with only 2" or so to the right of the range before the corner. I was concerned that if the range protruded too far out, a wider filler would be needed in the corner on the long L so that the drawers that pull out toward the range could clear the range handle. The Freestanding Cutout option with this "No Back"/"Slide In" range should work best. It appears from the diagram that the vent along the back should sit flat up against the wall.

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