Gas vs Dual Fuel- Need advice on a suite of kitchen appliances!
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Need advice about a dual fuel range/commercial
Comments (13)Wow, thank you soo much for all of your expert advice! To clarify a little more. I only cook for my family of7 during the week (besides for a once a week lunch on campus for 25 or so:) But the thing is I've been doing this for 10 years with only one little residential range so I don't think i need a serious upgrade to a commercial. Maybe. But I don't know if I want to go the whole fire hazard, high cost ventilation, no wood cabinets nearby etc route. I've got 5 little ones running around me all the time! As far as the religious configurations, yes Chef Dupre you've got me, we run a Jewish Home Away from home on campus here in UVa--but the pilot light would not be a problem on sabbath. But the more high tech ovens do have a Sabbath mode that would be helpful as well as a self-clean which is very useful around Passover. The bottom line is I'm not ready to put a commercial stove in the middle of my new homey kitchen. So you'd recommend putting two 30nchers next to each other before the 48inch? Or a double wall oven and professional cooktop. I do have to admit I love the look of those professional ranges... Thanks for letting me talk things out here and any more advice about brands and experiences would be more than welcome!...See MoreNeed advice on Kitchenaid dual fuel convection freesta
Comments (2)Kitchenaid ovens have had problems in the past - can't comment on current status. Kitchenaid fridges and DWs get really good reviews - I've had a KA fridge, DW, and trash compactor for over 8 years without any problems. With your budget constraints I wouldn't worry about dual fuel - gas ovens work very well these days, but I would get a convection gas oven. Another brand to look at in your price range is Bosch....See MoreWolf 36' All Gas or Dual Fuel?
Comments (12)Thanks to everyone for their thoughts. Based on your responses above, and the convection baking thread, it sounds like I should be able bake multiple sheets at the same time with convection, regardless of whether DF or AG, so that of course leans me toward the AG. Then I read Beth4's post and I go back to DF thinking I do use my range 1-2x day, nearly every day. Weissman- thanks for the correction re. Subzero owning Wolf. Don't know where my husband got that from. The kitchen is wired for electric (we just bought a 1950's ranch style fixer upper that hasn't been touched since the 50's) so it has an electric stove top bow but not sure if it's up to 240v. Just asked my husband and he wasn't sure but thought it's 120v for US and 240v for Europe so he's now calling our contractor to ask. AK Chicago- So happy you're happy w/ your AG. I forgot to ask in my OP... when your oven has preheated, does it beep to let you know or does the light just go off? Interesting point on the self-clean. Initially, I'd think that to not have this feature is a negative but reading your post makes me think otherwise. Plus, the AG range in our rental has a self-clean feature and I haven't used it in the 3 plus yrs we've been here. As I look back on my notes from the showroom visit, one thing she did say was that the "Wolf chef" apparently told them that to replicate the actual self-clean feature, all you have to do is turn on the oven to the highest heat for 3 hours and then let it cool for 1 hour b/c apparently that's how a self-clean feature works. Not sure if this is true but doesn't matter anyway since I'll just go the old fashioned Easy off route anyway. We made an appointment and visited an official Wolf showroom (in Burlingame, CA). The woman we met with said she's usually "on the field" but was working in the showroom since she's been there the longest- or something like this. She definitely works for Wolf but she wasn't very impressive to say the least. I felt like her "knowledge" consisted of memorized facts vs. based on a true understanding of the products, because she struggled when I probed. That was a bummer because I certainly was expecting a lot more out of that visit. The folks on this forum seem to understand the products a lot better. Here are some of the tid bits from my notes: - AG goes up to 16k BTU and down to 500 simmer; DF 15k Btu and 750 simmer - AG has 1 convection fan (vs. 2 convection fans for DF), gas infrared boiler, 30k btu under, cool down fan. - AG holds about 1.5 cups spillage; DF she thought would hold more - DF has a melt burner, back left - up to 9200, down to 300 (don't value this) - DF has a halogen light (this seemed much brighter than the AG I have to say) - DF has a full exension bottom rack that can be extended out onto the door (I think this would be very useful for basting, checking if cake is done, etc.) - She thought preheat time was similar for both (doesn't really matter to me but I hope the AG beeps when preheated?!) As I mentioned to Weissman above, kitchen is def. wired for electric but checking on whether kitchen is wired for 240v. Or, should we assume that any kitchen that has electric is wired for 240v? That could make the decision because if we end up having to pay more for electrical and my incremental $2400 for DF becomes higher, I'm not sure it's worth it. Beth4- thank you for your post. I'm sure I will love it if I get it, I just have to decide if the extra $2400 is worth it. What makes me at times lean toward the DF is I can't imagine regretting it, but worry with the AG that I might regret not getting the electric oven. Though, based on Weissman and AK Chicago's posts, maybe I'll be more than happy with the AG once I use convection bake. Shannon- Loved reading your post. Was helpful for me to read your decision making thoughts. As for looks, we actually prefer the look and the knobs of the AG as those are the original knobs and, to your point, will likely remain the same in the years to come. The DF looks great too of course but the knobs, other than the color, and the sealed burners look the same as many other residential ranges. Not a bad thing but we just like the original - AG look....See MoreThermador 30" Dual Fuel vs. Wolf 30" Dual Fuel range
Comments (5)The Wolf gas range does not have the blue interior and does not have the chipping. We bought Wolf for their supposed "great service" but were very disappointed. There are definite differences in gas and electric ovens. Of course you can bake in both of them, but some people might have a preference for one or the other. Gas ovens produce water as a byproduct of combustion but they have more ventilation so moisture from combustion and what you are cooking vent out so gas is more drying heat. You also will get more heat and moisture dumped into your kitchen. Electric heat does not produce moisture but tends to hold onto humidity from what you cook so are more humid. This will have some effect on what you are baking. The added moisture promotes starch gelatinization so may allow a little longer rise in things like bread or cakes. It also affects the crust. The electric ovens will hold onto added moisture that you might add while baking bread. You can use a cloche to keep moisture around your bread in a gas oven. A gas oven because it is drying promotes the Maillard reaction and therefore browning. This is why many like it for roasting. Drying is also good at the end of baking so that you get that browning which contributes to flavor. If you have an electric oven with convection, you can use the fan when you need the drying effect of more air movement. Electric ovens are as freidajune says can be more complex. They might have additional elements that can direct the heat, more from the top(for roasting) or bottom and may have elements in the back that are in theory supposed to provide more even heat when the oven is full. Some ovens have a variable speed with the fan but very few actually mention this in their manuals. They can also have little oddities in the way they work. You might consider the broiler. Some gas ovens have an infrared broiler which can be very small. I tend to broil trays of things so like a wider electric broiler. Regular gas broilers don't get as hot because the heat goes up....See MoreBoxerpal
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