Exposed pipe shower system on outside wall...need false wall or not?
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Comments (4)Hi Frodo I was thinking that with the exposed pipe shower the pipe taking the water to the shower head was inside the shower so it would be hard to have a shower head coming out of the wall later without breaking the tiles to install the pipe. I had not thought of access from behind as in our 1930s house we have no such access to either of the two original bathrooms. We could break the plaster walls I suppose but luckily have never in all that time needed to get to the pipes and even now the only reason we are remodeling is for aesthetic reasons. We are having a mud shower built so hopefully it will last as long! With the demolished and rebuilt bathroom I assume we will have to have such access from a bedroom wall in this case. Do you have to have a trap door?...See MoreReplace ALL of our copper pipes????
Comments (17)"Baloney, I don't believe it. What is the source of the information for these claims?" A common example is that water heaters last an average of 1.5 to 2.5 years around here. We're on a water system that runs from 25 gpg to 35 gpg hardness. Replaced my WH in 1995 and still on the same one so that's 7 water heaters I haven't paid for at an average cost of $800 installed or around $5600. My softener cost me around $700 so I'm $4900 ahead... even considering that softener salt cost me about $60 a year... good enough cost offset for you? I haven't has to touch a faucet to fix a drip or open the toilet tank once since 1995. Appliance repair people I know tell me that hard water kills tankless water heaters and front load washers and dishwashers. Oh yea, our dishwasher was installed in 1995 also and it hasn't skipped a beat and the ice maker in my 1995 fridge works great while my neighbors who don't have a softener don't have ice cubes but they do buy bottles and bottles and bottles and bottles of bottled water. People tell me, and my wife agrees, that clothes last significantly longer when washed in soft water. I can tell you that clothes washed in soft water are markedly more comfortable to wear... far less stiff and scratchy. "Some also think it should be plumbed to hot only because the elevated salt level isn't healthy to drink, but opinions are divided on this..." They may think but they don't know what they don't know. No ion exchange softener that is operating properly adds ANY salt to the softened water. Got it, that's ANY salt added. What is added are sodium or potassium ions not salt. So, for you who think, how much sodium (not salt) is really added to soften water? The formula for added sodium is 7.85 mg/l (about a quart) of softened water per grain per gallon of compensated hardness. EXAMPLE 20 gpg * 7.85 = 157 mg of sodium added per liter of softened water, not salt. How does this sodium content of softened water compare to sodium found in common foods? The table demonstrates the usual range of sodium in common foods. Food Amount Mg of Sodium Ketchup 1 tablespoon 204 Milk 2 Cups 226 Frozen Peas 1/2 Cup 295 Bread 2 Slices 322 Corn Flakes 1 oz. 260 Parmesan Cheese 1 oz. 528 Tomato Juice 4 oz. 504 Tomato Soup 1 Cup 932 Chili 1 Cup 1194 Beef Broth 1 Cup 1152 Get a softener and stop eating tomato soup. Softening only the hot water will give you hard water at every appliance and fixture where hot and cold are mixed. You'll pay for soft water and not get it. Any water treatment pro who advocates softening only hot water is either stupid, a scam artist, or to install a softener correctly would be too difficult or too expensive for the homeowner and they don't want to lose a sale (see scam artist). That you don't like the feel of soft water is a valid criticism for some and data suggests that there is an acclamation curve of about 6 weeks and getting used to using far less soap and detergent....See MoreKeep exterior wall pipes from freezing... help!!
Comments (8)By on top, i mean in front. The cavities between the studs seem to have a 1/2" thick drywall piece fitted in the voids between them- we are renovating a downstairs bathroom and this seems to be the case too- maybe this was draft protection in case anything got in through the shingle siding, and then the cedar interlocking planks- anyway, the original pipes downstairs never had a problem on the exterior wall either it seems, although they did have the added crappy 1950s faced batt as well. Not sure if all the batt can be removed from below, insulation contractor thinks its possible- but i'm thinking it will not be successful....See Morenew pipe freezing
Comments (8)With any additional insulating you do, keep in mind that totally enclosing lines in insulation only slows the rate of heat loss; it doesn't necessarily keep them from freezing. I live in a very mild climate where it only freezes for a couple of days a year. However, 2 years ago the cold water line under the kitchen sink froze. It was coming up from the foundation slap and up through an exterior wall. I cut a 1' X 1' hole in the sheetrock under the sink to investigate. What I found was a fully insulated wall, with the copper pipe coming up through the middle of an insulation batt. However, I noticed a breeze blowing through there due to an inadequately sealed sill, and it was enough to freeze the 2' of copper pipe. My solution was to seal the sill as best as I could and rearrange the insulation so that it was all behind the pipe (that is, to the outside) leaving the pipe bare to the inside. Then I put a grille in place to seal the hole, which allows the pipe to be able to pick up a little heat from the kitchen side through the louvers....See MoreP M
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