Those are the same fabric - Chiang mai (sp?) also referred to as the dragon fabric. You may show two different colorways though. You can find that fabric for way less than $100/yard. It's very popular and all over the internet. Search Ebay and Etsy. I know there are many etsy dealers who make/sell pillows using that fabric. Someone here posted a chair in that fabric the other day. Marcolo?? Curious as to what you are wanting to use the fabric for? tina

When we priced counter top for our hall bath, we did not think their deal was good at all. The best way is to actually go to granite yard pick out the ones you like and compare the price including fabricator's labor charge. In general the promotional pieces are not of desirable selection, they are lower priced pieces to begin with.

The only way to allow for an island with seating, is to not have the fridge and ovens on the den wall. I don't know the measurements of the current pantry, so I've guessed for these mock-ups. You mentioned that if the current pantry is removed, the depth of the wall is shallower there. Are you considering keeping the current pantry? If not, can you sketch out the depth differences on that wall? Many things can be changed, such as if and where for wine cabinet (I put one next to the beverage fridge), and trash pull-outs (can be under the sink, in the island, or in an 18" next to the sink if you go with a 30" sink). The island overhang is 15"x72". 1 -Fridge on sink wall; 36" sink/trash pullouts below. Keeps current pantry. 2-Ovens on sink wall; 30" sink, 18" trash pullout to left of sink. Keeps current pantry. 3-Close off door to living room; gives most options for cabinets. Don't know if this is possible, but since the entry through the den is so close I threw this out for consideration. 4-Wine cab at beverage center. The approximate cost of each of these plans is under $7000. If you like any of these ideas, I can fine tune and change to suit your preferences. I don't see any other way to add an island with seating without structural changes. The reason your original quote is so high is because of the high cabs, and especially the three 15" depth ones that were unnecessarily loaded with drawers. Let me know if you'd like me to continue working on any of these. Benje, did you come up with any ideas?

You can contribute to this forum without being rude. I call it as I see it. The comment dealers luv to oversize --- is baked in hypocrisy. On this board: we will tell people left and right to get a heat load calculation. Then some one posts square footage of structure, sizing of equipment and immediately home owner contributors chime in and say such & such is over sized *without doing a heat load* SO when you say a heat load must be done... and you do what I say above... what does that make you? (flour, sugar, yeast, hypocrisy & a little cynicism for preservation: bake at 350 degrees for 30 mins.) Recipe for Hypocrisy Cup Cakes. Dealers luv to oversize: Heat load calcs can be manipulated. I've said it many times too countless to name. It's not an exact science. 90% of the time... the system in your home is... oversized. It's a misnomer. Dealers also love to use the heat load calc to prove to you the system is over sized or even undersized. Why? Then they can then tell you the whole system needs to be replaced. They make more by selling you more pieces. This isn't rocket science. The dealer recommends you go to 2 stage AC. Those systems are not made in 1/2 ton increments. 2, 3, 4, 5 ton only. So you get a heat load that says 3.35 tons. So much for accuracy. Do you see a system above rated at 3.35 Tons? Now ask yourself: How does Ray Austin know this stuff? From being rude? LOL. But this forum board often times can't see the forest from the trees. These people help you by getting you to fall right into the hands of those who are going to silver tongue snare you. But let's call Ray the rude one. After 26 years... I'm still not in the candy making business. I call it as I see it. If that paints me as rude? I'm not surprised.