Candy, My inner since of logic speaks the same language yours does. While eating low-carb does work for some people, when you crunch the numbers it is no mystery how it works. Whether you take WW Points, Atkins, South Beach or Food Exchanges...the bottom line is if you were to take a recommemded day's intake of food and look up the calories you consumed it all they all would add up to 1200-1400 calories a day. A person could presumably under eat or over eat on points if you make the wrong food choices within the program. White bread averages 70 to 80 calories a slice while some whole grains can be as high as 150. Eat five sandwiches a week and you have added 700 calories to your diet. Are whole grain breads healthier? Probably. But I can have 4 servings of ice cream if I eat white bread and still end up the same. Or I can not eat the ice cream and maybe lose almost an extra lb. that month. Fruits and veggies are 1 point? Not if the only fruits you like are bananas and nectarines as opposed to berries and apples. So the programs work so that if you eat a variety of foods it "averages" out to lower calories. Few of us want to eat the same food day after day. All that being said I do think that although some people do OK eating a lot of carbs, I think a higher protein in take helps. I know that I try to get some protein at every meal because if I don't I feel sluggish. Everyone needs to find the plan that works for them and whatever works for you is a good thing. Being overweight is unhealthy and if eating a certain way helps you take some of those lbs off doesn't matter how as long as basic nutrition needs are met. Followed to the letter, every plan used by those on this forum are on meets those requirements. Its just hard to "follow to the letter" because we are social animals and should be able to have our cake and lose it too. So now that I'm off my soapbox let's all continue on and end up being the losers we want to be.

As far as I know, eggbeaters are real eggs....just egg whites and preservatives but here is my problem with them....they are way to expensive...I can buy eggs usually at a loss leader price and if you compare the cost of real eggs to the number of equalivent eggs....geesh they are expensive....yes more convenient but how long does it take to crack a few eggs and toss the yolk and shell in the trash..and then you just also get pure egg white and no add ins....

For those who didn't see the link, I divided up and listed what several posters on GW's Cooking Forum like to buy at Trader Joe's, separated by ----s ---- organic, vegetarian baked beans which we really liked (no HFCS). vegetarian low fat refried pinto beans "salsa style" Cuban style black beans which we have not tried yet cacciatore simmer sauce for chicken/pork breads beautiful orchid plants. Fage whole milk Greek yogurt ---- *Pistachios *Savory thin mini Crackers (a sesame cracker) they come in a larger cracker too, but I like the minis. *Sesame Sticks *Cambozola cheese (semi soft brie type veined with blue cheese) *Capers *Morella Cherries (next to the jams) *Creme Fraiche *Sun Dried Tomatoes *Rice Pilaf *Greek style Yoghurt *Saffron (great price) *Two Buck Chuck wines *Hand lotions *Yellow kitchen sponges (the kind that are thin until you wet them I could go on and on...I do most of my grocery shopping there and love to just browse up and down the aisles ---- Dried monmorency cherries Spices (cheap and good) Balsamic vinegar EVOO Grapeseed oil TJ Barbecue sauce Organic ketchup Artichoke hearts Joe-Joe's (TJ's healthier version of Oreos) Dark chocolate covered raisins Graham crackers Cereals-just tried Whole Grain Chocolatey-filled Cereal Bites Moka Java Coffee Semi-sweet chocolate chips ---- Sweet Potato Fries ---- Pound Plus Chocolate Cereals Tuscan Beans (in a can) Papadums (in the snack aisle) Grade B maple syrup usually cheaper than anyone Peanut butter filled pretzel nuggets Flavored pistachios Flax seed tortilla chips cookies shaped like cats, birds, various animals. ---- Candied ginger (yum!) dried fruits of all kinds grape seed oil olive oil - I like the Greek stuff Good price on McCann's Irish Oatmeal 3 buck chuck - my fave is the the rose simmer sauces - various types nice to have on hand for a quick dinner chicken gyoza - frozen - also nice for a quick dinner ---- New Mexico Piñon Coffee ---- ham steak (it's about a pound, from the Niman Ranch, & has excellent flavor frozen biscuits (six to a box stuffed pork chops & chicken breasts. good prices on nuts (cashews, pecans, almonds, peanuts, available, salted, non-salted, light salt, roasted & raw) & dried fruits, too. The lemon loaf is excellent, & good for morning coffee or dessert. They're also known for their wine selections & prices, & prices on selected liquor. ---- nuts blocks of chocolate for dipping organic sugar vanilla roasted red peppers Greek yogurt dried bananas low sodium deli turkey cheeses eggplant hummus Judy's Breadsticks (sunflower seed studded whole wheat bread) mini pita bread (so cute) 21 Seasoning Salute wine coffee beans truffle oil (seasonal) naan maple syrup graham crackers chocolate truffles cheese puffs ---- milk and eggs ---- Their flour tortillas are the closest to home made that I've ever found in a store. ---- I love the Trader Joe's Hummus quartet, and the fresh mozzarella is the cheapest around. ---- Bread Fresh-cut flowers, plants TJs Habanero Lime Salsa, TJs Vegetarian Chili, Cream Cheese, shredded cheese to make dip for Chips/Tortillas Wine -- NOT 2-buck Chuck Milk, Eggs, Yogurt, Cottage Cheese, Cheese Cereals Frozen: fish filets, Sweet Potato Fries, vegetables, Streudel, fruits and berries TJs Ice Cream -- especially their Mint Chip! Some frozen prepared foods -- as the whim suits me Tejava Ice Tea Lavander Sachet bags, Scrubbers, Dish Soap, shampoo ---- Yea - get all the stuff listed above..... And several cases of 2 Buck Chuck - we like the Merlot, Cab. and Chardonnay the best ---- orange champagne vinegar cheapest crumbled feta and goat cheese around orange cranberry scones mini challah kettle corn popcorn (it is addicting!!!) frozen creamed spinach (however, the calories will kill you! frozen juice bars...i love the mixed fruit ones My one hate is the frozen vege enchilladao ---- Picatta sauce - jar - great for a quick dinner w/ leftover grilled chicken breasts - I add a can of artichoke hearts-serve over angel hair pasta Sweet Potato fries - frozen Wasabi peas Sesame sticks Gorgonzola roasted crackers Roasted Red pepper soup - in a carton - add nothing - just heat. Stuffed Olives - 2 kinds - garlic & blue cheese - jars Marinara sauce - jar Alfredo sauce - jar Sour cream - can't remember the name - Red & wht container - cheap & thick ---- TJ's Gourmet Fried Onion pieces. Ingredients are onions, vegetable oil (canola and palm), wheat flour and salt. ---- Greek yogurt -- not TJ's Greek style, but the real Greek stuff "soft whole wheat bread". Monte Pollino olive oil canned beans beef broth concentrate in little packets Havarti cheese whipping cream that's not ultra-pasteurized triple gingersnaps ---- I looked over many of the fresh beef labels yesteday, and I couldn't find one that didn't say 'natural, no anti-biotics, no hormones, vegetarian diet'. All of them. I could have missed a package, but my impression is all of their beef was 'clean'. I have seen grass fed product on the shelves. ---- White balsamic vinegar TJ fat free Balsamic Vinegarette, Eggplant Garlic Spread, Honey Wheat Pretzel sticks, Sun Dried Tomato Brushetta, Swiss Almond crunch Cookies, TJ Mini Chocolate Chips, Fruit sticks (like roll-ups), Vegetable Fried Rice, Chicken Shu Mai, Ground Buffalo STeak Burgers, Vegetable Egg Rolls, Tri Sampler Goat Cheese, Corn and Chile Tomato-Less Salsa, Fire Roasted Tomato Salsa, All frozen Vegetables, Pumpkin Butter, Red Pepper Spread w/Eggplant & Garlic, Trader Giotto's Spaghetti Lunghi (extra long spaghetti) ---- I like their Salsa Verde, and their Double Roasted Salsa is one of the best jarred salsa's I've had. If you get this, make sure it's the Double Roasted and not the Fire Roasted. Their Chimichurri Rice is fabulous! It's in a bag in the frozen section ---- Dried fruits, nuts spices jarred Indian simmer sauces Plugra butter (cheapest around!) Frozen veggies (green beans are the BEST) Jarred marinated mushrooms (the only ones I can find w/out peppers) pasta varietal rice (wild, brown, jasmine, basmati, etc) oils gluten free products (with flavor, thank you!) seasonal stuff (this year it was Mexican Hot Chocolate cookies) Chocolate covered, peanut butter filled pretzels! ---- Triple Ginger cookie thins (really delish) Cheeses-Port Salut, Compozola,most of their blue cheeses are good, mascarpone Creme Fraiche Spicey hummus capers Dijon mustard Roasted unsalted nuts DH likes Chas Shaw merlot (3$ here) most of their organic dairy products are good ---- Multigrain vegetable lasagna (frozen) Chicken burritos (frozen) Brown basmati rice Parmesan cheese, grated Meyer lemons (in season, the only place I can get them locally) Flaxseed and soy tortilla chips Whole wheat pitas Nutty Chocolate breakfast bars (kids love 'em) Marinara sauce Whole wheat pastas Smoked salmon (fresh) Ak-Mak crackers - Stone ground whole wheat sesame flats Menage a trois sliced sweet peppers (frozen) Marinated tuna or mahi mahi steaks (frozen) Canned beans and tomatoes Fage Greek yogurt Harvest grains blend Orange champagne vinegar Makes a wonderful dressing Sweet & Spicy Pecans - Serve on a salad w/ above dressing and strawberries! ---- GLUTEN FREE chocolate cake! It is yummy and worry free! A special treat for me. They also carry a variety of other products that make life easier -- pizza that doesn't taste like cardboard and GF tortilla (rice flour). ---- frozen Pineapple... Almond Meal... General Tso's sauce... Chamomile/Lavender hand soap. Envirokidz cereal Ketchup. Pad Thai Brown Rice Pasta Italian chopped salad ---- blue cheese, crumbled feta and fresh mozzarella. I love their caponata. Unsweetened vanilla almond breeze (great for low-carbers). I also use their soaps - body - clothes and dishes.

I am making the Crack slaw tonight. I know the conversation has passed avocados, but for anyone who doesn't like them...and may not be able to understand why anyone does....let me say, there are good avocados and bad. There is nothing in between. when selecting an avocado, get the brightest green one you can find. That means it isn't ripe and no one has squeezed it yet. Don't squeeze it....ever. Every time you squeeze an avocado, you bruise it. A little bruise will change the taste of the entire avocado. Bring it home and set it on the counter. After one or two days, it will change color. when it is dark green, it is ready for slicing. The next day...guacamole. I eat avocados almost every day and I see people picking them up and squeezing them, and I cringe.