Advice on soil amendments for new shade bed w/ Rhodos/Azaleas (Zone 5B
sah67 (zone 5b - NY)
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sah67 (zone 5b - NY)
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PNW Zone 8a, roses putting out leaves, soil is very cold
Comments (31)I have been gardening in what I call "glacier slurry" and you call glacier till since '04. The only tool that worked for me was a hand mattack and I dug deep wide holes and perk tested them. My backfill was natural soil and purchased compost because my housepad/gardening area was cut out of a slope. There is probably little plant organic material in the gardening area because of it being cut out of the slope ... except for the decayed mulch material I have applied twice a year over the last several years. The glacier slurry is porous and drains well, which means that anything I use will end up in our water supply, the Trinity River. Until last year, I tried to get by with organics and time-released fertilizers, but the plants just didn't thrive. They did OK, but I knew something was missing. Last spring, after the estimated last frost date in April, I applied 1/4 cup of calcium nitrate to the larger roses and less to the smaller roses. I watered well the day before and then watered again the same day I applied the CN. It was enough to kick start the roses and they did a LOT better last season. Altho' the roses do leaf out earlier than they should, most of that growth is blind growth. I think it's the plant trying to feed itself through photosynthesis. We always get a late frost or snow before the middle of April and that growth generally dies off or gets pruned off. We have temps in the high 90s or low 100s for weeks at a time during the summer and time released foods are just burned up too quickly to be reliable, so last year, I did a combination of organics and synthetics and all of the plants were healthier than in prior years. In my experience, it's hard to find the right balance to feed the plants and not pollute our water source. I think I have planted the last of the roses I am going to plant, except for replacements for roses that don't do well in this climate. I know I don't want to dig any more rose holes in this stuff. Smiles, Lyn...See MoreRhodies: how mulch w/o raising soil level to to where won't bloom
Comments (29)Diane Pertson came up with a cure for chlorosis that includes lime since a pH that is too low also causes chlorosis. Here is what she wrote: Diane Pertson, Otter Point, Vancouver Island, wrote: "I have found the following foolproof formula for chlorotic leaves or a rhododendron that isn't looking healthy: Purchase a bag of Epsom Salts crystals (magnesium sulfate) (available here in bulk at farm-and-feed outlets), about $4.00 for a 5 lb. bag - and a bottle of FULLY Chelated Iron & Zinc (this is a very concentrated liquid - the chelation means it is in a form that can be readily absorbed by the plant), about $7.00 for 1 quart; In a one gallon watering can, put in 2 Tbsp. of Epsom Salts crystals and 2 Tbsp. of Iron and Zinc liquid - fill with warm water and stir to dissolve; Sprinkle this over the rhododendron - by that I mean drench the leaves with the solution and pour the remainder around the drip line of the root ball. In 1-2 weeks, the leaves should be nice and green. You could repeat the process at this time if the leaves aren't fully green. This works even better if, a month before, you have sweetened the soil by sprinkling a little Dolomite Lime on the roots. Very acidic soil can prevent the roots from taking up nutrients. As many of my rhododendrons are planted in very acidic soil under a canopy of giant cedar trees, I find an application of Dolomite and a light topdressing of mushroom manure in late spring is all they need. If soil is too acid, the symptoms can be the same. Very acidic soil can prevent the roots from taking up nutrients. In the western USA where many rhododendrons are planted in very acidic forest soil, an application of Dolomite and a light topdressing of mushroom manure in late spring is all they need. Sprinkle the lime on in late winter, very early spring. Don't overdo it - just a light sprinkle. If it is mid-spring, get the lime on right away so the rhododendron roots will be able to take up the soil nutrients in time for new growth. If you don't have rain, water it in well."...See Morekeeping Rhodos small?
Comments (4)I can't think of any reason why a combination of pinching and pruning would not accomplish exactly what you want. If you do it immediately after flowering, there will still be ample time for next year's flower buds to form on the current year's growth. You will probably find that this process will produce dense and bushy growth with potentially better flowering. Starting with naturally smaller growing varieties hardy to Z5 is a good idea, as is concentrating on those with rhododendron yakushimanum as one of the parents. The Greer Gardens website, under "useful lists" has one with dwarf and slow growing types. The Whitney Gardens online catalog indicates size for all of the varieties listed. Rarefind Nursery does the same thing. Unless you are near an unusually well-stocked nursery, most of the best varieties for your purpose will have to be ordered by mail. This usually means small one or two gallon plants to begin with so it will be a few years before they approach the 3 foot limit. One caution about planting near a solid barrier like a stone wall. Such barriers can actually increase wind speed and turbulence. Close to the barrier is usually safe, but just a few feet away can be a difficult spot for growing things. In any case, extra protection in the form of evergreen boughs, landscape fabric, burlap is a very good idea for at least the first two winters....See MoreWhat varieties of azaleas can survive zone 5b?
Comments (15)Rudolph gives great advice for planting in soils near the Great Lakes, whether sandy or clay. I grew up in Cleveland, so reasonably similar growing conditions BellaRosa, you really can't go wrong with either most of the Weston/Mezitt hybrids or the Lights series if they suit your tastes, and most are reasonably available around here. Often some of the evergreen ones from Weston are available in the big box store. In addition to the ones I've shown, I've seen Aglo and Landmark. Often large leafed evergreens are available there also, but you have to check hardiness and size carefully on those. Sometimes labels are wrong, so check that also. Some of my other Rhododendrons are from big box sources as well (my rural area doesn't have many nursery choices without an hour drive, so I buy there if I notice something I want even if it isn't my first choice for quality). Many of my other rhodies have come from mail order or specialty nurseries since nursery field trips are always fun. My tendency is to plant what's available that suits my color and size preferences and is hardy enough since there are so many kinds that looking for a particular type can be an exercise in frustration. I've found that the Rhododendron.org database is a good place to search for information on size and hardiness, though even they don't have every plant I've run across. They also have an Azalea database. I take my tablet with me when plant shopping so I can research in the nursery. I used to take my copy of Michael Dirr's huge book, but the tablet is a lot lighter. http://www.rhododendron.org/search_multi.htm...See MoreNHBabs z4b-5a NH
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