The Elusive Sasquatch, er Mattress
Why are mattresses so impossible to break down to their component parts -- to know 'what's in there'?
You can't even 'count coils' because coils are not all the same tensile strength. Salespeople can't tell you the density of any memory foam or polyfoam, or how much latex there is (or if it's natural or not).
Right now I have two bids for king mattresses, low-profile box springs, a mattress protector, delivery, and haul away.
One is a Simmons Beautyrest Firm for $2100.
One is an Eastman House Firm for $1700.
They feel the same.
I'm running out of time to get these in place before we leave Maui.
All help welcome!
Comments (30)
- 8 years ago
I don’t know. I used to think buying a car was hard. A mattress is worse. The worst of the worst. I think I would go with the Simmons Beautyrest, but that is purely because we have been used to that line for the last two mattresses. I’m not familiar with the other one. Good luck!
- 8 years ago
Look into The Original Mattress Factory brand. Just bought 2 different types of mattresses there and was impressed with what all was demonstrated on the showroom floor with cutaways of all how made styles. And the no pressure sales pitch.
- 8 years ago
Yes, buying a mattress is the worst! DH and I searched and bought what we thought was a very nice one. It's fine, but my sister's bed is supremely comfortable and is older than the one that we have. On the plus side, if our bed was that comfy, getting up in the morning would be even more difficult than it is now!
- 8 years ago
I think chisue is in Maui at the present, and the range of choices available is somewhat limited. There probably is no "Original Mattress Factory" there.
chisue
Original Author8 years agoBob is correct. Maui has limited resources. However, the less expensive Eastman House mattress is from BedMart, and they are supposedly giving us a discount for being referred by our vacation management agency. The Simmons is from Slumberland.
We're told there is a place where you can walk down aisles of mattresses stored on end -- *used* mattresses. It does exist. Blech.
- 8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago
We have the Simmons Beautyrest. Luxury Firm. Not sure if that is more or less firm than regular firm. I bought it from online seller US-Mattress for much less than the store. However, spring count is less than the store ones. About 15% fewer iirc. I actually notice it a little...but overall im satisfied.
If you are going to encapsulate it anyway, I dont see why buying refurbished for a vacation rental is an issue but ymmv.
Good luck!
chisue
Original Author8 years agoI think the Used Mattress Store gets their stock from hotels. I didn't think you could legally sell a used mattress since the widespread news stories about bed bugs.
I've read that hotels buy softer mattresses to please short term guests, then replace them every 2 - 3 years. I want a firm, not soft.
The mattress at our condo is used by us for three months. We have a 6-night minimum for guests, and the condo isn't booked a back-to-back-to-back; not as many 'bodies' per year as in a hotel, but I do hear you about this.
Beautyrest has at least three lines of mattresses. We are looking at the 'Silver' line. The 'Platinum' is a step up, and their 'Black' series is another jump in price. I'm not impressed with the Silver's coil count (870). The Eastman House has 1017, which is more in line with king mattresses we've bought in the past.
To top it off, I have to do this all over again when we get home! We need a new mattress there, too.
- 8 years ago
There’s a Costco on Maui, and it is worth going to see their choices. We just bought one for our very tall teenager, with an additional (separate) foam topper. It is wonderful.
- 8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago
A few years ago we invested in a Latex mattress and it was the best thing we ever did.
ETA: No coils, 100 cotton/wool (organic) cover, custom firmness on both sides, he likes firm, me not so much, no box spring, he moves around, I don’t feel a thing. And the quality of sleep is better than I ever had with a traditional mattress.
- 8 years ago
"I think the Used Mattress Store gets their stock from hotels."
You know how mattress sellers tout the fact that you can "try it out" for a specific number of days and then return it if you're not happy? Well, folks do return mattresses that they don't like. The mattress then cannot be sold as new, so they are sterilized and sold at used mattress stores.
In California, and perhaps other states as well, there is a chain that used to be called Sleep Train. They recently changed the name and now they're known as Mattress Firm. (Actually, an existing company called Mattress Firm bought out the Sleep Train company.) Anyway, Sleep Train had another train-themed name (which I cannot recall) where they sold the sanitized mattresses that had been returned.
Oh, and bear in mind that not all "used mattresses" that are sold in the used mattress store are actually used. If the mattress is delivered to a home and then returned, it has to be sold as used. For example, let's say you order an Eastern King. The store delivers and attempts to set up the new bed. But it doesn't fit on your Eastern King bed frame -- you discover that the store actually delivered a California King. The delivery guys are still there because they're trying to set the darn thing up. So, they reverse course and haul it away. The mattress never had anyone on it, but it was delivered, so it is used.
- 8 years ago
Lukkirish, (hey, today's your day!) can I ask where you got your mattress? I wasn't aware they could make one that is different density on each side.
- 8 years ago
I am shopping for one, too. I have a 45 year old pure latex mattress that is still in perfect shape (believe it or not). I've slept solo for the last 22 years in a king size bed and it's getting to be too much of a chore to deal with the size of linens (small washer and dryer), etc. So I've decided to go to a queen. This, Holy Lamb, is where I'm getting my new one - it sounds similar to Lukki's. All organic, different softness per side if you desire, wool padding, etc. I love their philosophy of how to do business and treat their employees. They ship anywhere:
- 8 years ago
Hi Sjerin! It is my lukki day and it’s beautiful out to boot!
There are several online places that sell this concept. We bought ours from https://www.sleepez.com and this is the one we bought
https://www.sleepez.com/collections/latex-mattresses/products/organic-latex-mattress?model=10%22
My entire experience with this store was very positive and at the time, their site had a ton of information about their products as well as latex in general. They’ve changed it around since then, so I can’t confirm that its the same now...but...would guess it is.It seems pricey, but when you consider that we will never have to buy a “whole” mattress again it was worth it to us and if we should ever need to, we can always replace a strip to adjust the firmness as needed.
The ONLY negative I’ve found is that because there are two pieces next to each other and the cover isn’t extremely tight, they tend to spread a little in the middle. You can’t feel it when you lay on it and it has never disrupted our sleep, but every few weeks we have to unzip the mattress and fix it. To be honest though, we both sleep so much better on this mattress we don’t care.
I hope this helps!
Oly, we also sized down from a King to a Queen. It’s not a decision I’ve had any regrets about. chisue
Original Author8 years agoThe KT scores again! Very interesting about what a 'used' mattress can be, Lindsey. I wonder if this place tags the mattresses for origin.
We ordered the Eastman House King extra firm, low profile box springs, and encasement mattress cover (liquid and bug-proof). The delivery guys are going to dispose of our stuff and will put the mattress into the cover. (We can't DO this kind of thing ourselves anymore -- one reason we had to skip Costco options.)
When we mentioned we would have to shop again at home, the salesman had us try their Temperpedic (sp?) split king with electric positioning. It was very comfortable -- and only about $10K! (gasp). I'm not sure if these are memory foam -- which I've heard *compresses* over time. I wonder about the effect on any product if it gets repositioned (compressed). Anyone have a similar product?
Is there a down side to Latex? I'd thought those would be much more expensive than the mattresses linked by Lukkiirish. (We have never had anything but a pair of extra-long twins which we used as a king. That was partly because we were strong enough to flip those, but not move a whole king.)
While my Maui condo bed problem appears to be solved, I'll be nagging you all again once we get home. Thank you for all the wonderful options!
- 8 years ago
The ONLY downside with ours is the one I mentioned about the two parts separating. The sleep I get is sounder and I no longer have back pain or that back stiffness when I get up in the morning. My husband also sleeps much more sound and comfortably For us, it has been an exceptional experience.
- 8 years ago
Thanks, Lukki. I'm going to bookmark this thread. I much prefer using latex (I have a topper on my side,) and I know we're going to have to buy a mattress soon.
- 8 years ago
Chisue, when you get home check out the adjustable bed options at Costco.com - that's what I plan on getting for under my new Holy Lamb mattress. Costco.com has white glove service for some things and I saw they would haul your old mattress (and presumably box springs) away for $80, I think.
They have reasonably priced adjustable bed options - without mattresses - that they will set up in your home. They go on sale once in a while, too, plus their return policy is stellar. Then you can shop for your own latex mattress for much less than what temperapedic is trying to sell you.
- 8 years ago
lukkiirish,
I know a solution that will prevent the parts (seams) from separating if you're interested.
- 8 years ago
It’s never occured to me that there could be a fix for it, so I would be interested, thanks Brushworks!
Sjerin glad it helps and I hope you’re able to find something that works for you and your DH. I really don’t understand why they aren’t as popular or well known.
- 8 years ago
I'm back, with pictures. Sorry, got reeled in by March Madness.
Simple solution. Enclose the latex toppers, or all pieces if you choose, in a separate sheet. As you can see below, ours is fully encased in 200 TC cotton fabric. This method keeps the rubbery latex from gripping and bulging at the seams. We didn't invent this fix, our bed is a Berkeley Ergonomics mattress and that's how it was delivered.


Our bottom layer (pictured below) is a 6" solid piece. SleepEZ uses individual layers so you may need to wrap all 6 pieces. Regardless, it's an easy fix. Just make sure the cover is breathable cotton or linen.

- 8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago
Huh...that is really cool. Thanks for coming back and showing me. I was pretty curious and you’re right, it’s a really simple fix. The bottom doesn’t seem affected so I’m going to try wrapping the top 2 layers first and see if I can get away with that. Fingers crossed!
chisue
Original Author8 years agoOK, now I'm more confused. The Latex is 'natural latez' (Talalay, I think it's called?) The bed is made up of *layers*? I sure like the idea of cotton and wool.
We once tried some kind of foam 'toppers' from Costco on our beds in Maui. They came compressed and inflated when the box was opened. I thought I'd die from the off-gassing. We put them out on the lanai overnight.
chisue
Original Author8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoOlychic -- I don't think we *need* the electronics, but I will keep in mind that I can get 'a bed' with electric controls from Costco -- and buy whatever mattress I want. (Love the idea of one with cotton and *wool*!)
Friends who are *even older than we are* have just bought a bed with controls from Costco. I'll have to ask if they bought it with a mattress or added one.
- 8 years ago
I've long thought that the best thing about having to spend the night in the hospital is being in an adjustable bed. I have GERD, and sleeping on a bit of an incline really helps. Hubs likes to sleep flat, so I have a medical-grade foam wedge like this:

Mine is under the mattress (on my side of the bed, of course).
But, we're going to be buying a new mattress soon and we've decided to get one that's adjustable. We have an Eastern King, so we'll get a split King so I can incline my side and Hubs can stay flat. :-)
- 8 years ago
lukkllrish, I have a question for you regarding the latex bed. Do the sheets fit snugly on the mattress or do you basically have to "remake" the bed every day? I like to be able to tuck the bottom sheet corners under the mattress so am curious if this can be done on the latex mattress. Like the ability to mix firmness of the layers!
- 8 years ago
gmatx,
Making a Latex bed is similar to making any other bed. Sheets will stay tucked in if that's your preference. We do not tuck the top sheet or top bedding, a personal preference and casual look.
- 8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago
My traditional sized fitted sheets which are NOT designed for a pillow top bed fit perfectly and always stay in place. The latex fits inside a wool/cotton cover and when it’s zipped up, it looks just like any other ordinary mattress.
Lindsey, My DH has severe back issues and sometimes he likes to use a wedge as well. His is always on top but I would think that due to the latex’s flexability, it would be ideal for the situation you’re looking for.
For anyone interested, SleepEz has a generous trial period and free return if it doesn’t work, so there’s really nothing to loose. I’m sure there are other retailers that do as well.


Lindsey_CA