Thuja occidentalis 'Smaragd'?
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Thuja occidentalis 'Smaragd' - how close to fence?
Comments (7)Thank you thisismelissa--it's nice to hear from someone with experience with this exact issue. I was hoping for less than 5 ft spacing from the fence. Fortunately, deer are not an issue (my dogs would browse on them!) Ken: yup, I don't care what it looks like back there--could be purple for all I care because I won't see that side. I can get 2 sizes locally (1 size is about 4 ft tall and the other is closer to 6 ft tall). And, all of my climate info is on my page. bboy: After considering the 2 possible alternatives (Rocky Mt Juniper & Smooth AZ Cypress) it appears that neither are an acceptable replacement for the Arborvitae. I think the reasons will pop out when looking at the info on the Arborvitae vs. the 2 suggestions: Arborvitae Thuja occidentalis 'Smaragd' Height: 12-14 ft Spread: 3-4 ft Zones: 2-7 Sun: Full Sun, Part Shade, Shade Water: Medium Maint: Low Minimum Spacing: 3 ft on centers Suggestion 1: Rocky Mountain Juniper, Juniperus scopulorum Height: 8-40 ft (depends on cultivar) Spread: 3-12 ft (depends on cultivar) Zones: 3-8 Sun: Full Sun Water: Does not do well in wet soil Maint: Susceptible to blight, rust, cankers Minimum Spacing: 8 ft (could not find anything with a smaller minimum) Suggestion 2: Smooth Arizona Cypress, Cupressus glabra Height: 10-50 ft (depends on cultivar) Spread: 12-15 ft (depends on cultivar) Zones: 7-10 Sun: Full Sun Water: well-drained soil, don't over water Maint: Low Minimum Spacing: 6-8 ft (couldn't find anything smaller) Other: turpentine fragrance And, it's a good thing that I am not planting them for you bboy, because I like a modern garden....See MoreBreeder's Hall - 13 - Lakatos László, Kál HUN
Comments (4)Dax, This problem is widely known, also in other countries. I try to teach our breeders for naming. I used to say them, just give a name, then in the description we tell the story: where comes the plant from, seedling, mutation or anything else. You are really right, but Lakatos has so many variegated cultivars after having big quantity of juniper seedbeds, - 'Tarka' is variegated in english -, that I was happy to bring them into a oneway street first. We renamed nearly half of his cultivars in situ for better understanding. The breeders tell always, that they are going to give information of the origin, and partly its ok. Just in Hungary I know minimum 4 variegated clones of Moonglow, and all are named as 'Moonglow Tarka'. That's why its really a good question: do we need 4 variegated Moonglows (or 1000 Picea abies WB's?), or we are able to give them different names. On the other hand. As I discover the hungarian coniferography, people come to light 3-500 km far from each other, who had earlier no idea, what are making other breeders. I think, if you dig down into the coniferography of your country, you will find something similar, and you will teach yours for the same, as I do it. On the "third hand", there is a 'Malonyana Holub' and many others too. This is a generally living problem. Zsolt...See MoreBreeder's Hall - 3 - Kiss Balázs, Pilismarót HUN
Comments (0)Kiss Balázs, Pilismarót HUN He is a forrestal engineer with a special outlook to conifers. Juniperus chinensis Körmend Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1995 Kiss Balázs of seed in Körmend HUN. The seedbed was planted by Horváth Ferenc, Körmend HUN. Introduced 2003 Kiss Balázs Nursery, Pilismarót HUN Description A natural dense dwarf, looks like a flat top green globe. Mother plant in Pilismarót in the Kiss Balázs Collection, along the Danube bend. Photo documentation Photo author me Photo author me Juniperus communis Kiserdõ in the meaning of Little Forest Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Kiss Balázs HUN Introduced Kiss Balázs Nursery, Pilismarót HUN Description Selected of seed this broad dense fastigiate type beauty. After a while sidebranchlets turn to the sky and form a narrow habit. Shows a little greeny forest at age. Great find. Very similar to Juniperus pingii Loderi in habit. Photo documentation Juniperus communis Kiserdõ Photo author Juniperus communis Kiserdõ Photo author Juniperus communis Kiserdõ Photo author Picea abies Tahi Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1986 Kiss Balázs HUN Introduced Kiss Balázs Collection, Pilismarót HUN Description A seedling dwarf, some times breakes out, this gives a strange habit to the clone. Photo documentation Photo author me Picea obovata Mongólia Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Kiss Balázs HUN Introduced Kiss Balázs Nursery, Pilismarót HUN Description A dwarf WB seedling, found 1982 in Mongolia by Barabits Miklós & Kiss Balázs HUN. 1,5 m in 27 years, conical green form with short branchlets. Photo documentation Photo author me Photo author me Pinus nigra Isaszeg Published 2010 Mesterházy in the Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1980 Kiss Balázs found in Isaszeg HUN of seed Introduced 1984 Kiss Balázs Nursery, Pilismarót HUN Description A slow growing seedling dwarf with a dense habit, looks like a mushroom. Grows very slowly, remains on a dwarfy Pinus pinea. Photo documentation Pinus nigra Isaszeg Photo author me Pinus nigra Isaszeg Photo author me Pinus sylvestris Isaszeg Published 1995 Mesterházy Zsolt in the Conifer Treasury Breeder/Found 1980 Kiss Balázs, Németh Rudolf and Varga Lajos forestry engineers wild found in the Isaszeg Forest, near Budapest HUN as a natural seedling. Introduced 1984 Kiss Balázs Nursery, Pilismarót HUN Description A /Viridis/ type dense, narrow columnar conical clone from a European common pine (Scots pine), 4 m in 30 years, witchs broom with green colour. Original (grafted) plants in Dömös, Pilismarót and Körösladány HUN. Zone 4. Photo documentation Photo author me Photo author me Photo author me Thuja occidentalis Gabi Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Kiss Balázs HUN Introduced Kiss Balázs Nursery, Pilismarót HUN Description Created of Thuja occidentalis Smaragd seed this 1/3 size goldie, irregular dense column. Having a sight to her, makes the day happy. Photo documentation Photo author me Photo author me Photo author me Zsolt...See MoreAdvice in planting Occidentalis 'Hetz Wintergreen' or 'Degroots Spire'
Comments (22)Thank you everyone for the wonderful replies! RE: Dax. Thanks for the info on the spacing and size of Hetz Wintergreen. With the fast growth rate of the Hetz Wintergreen, it seems a 1 gallon pot would surpass my existing Smaragd's pretty quick. This is what I was hoping for. RE: Cearbhail. Haha, yes the happenings in my kitchen are strictly confidential! I appreciate your thoughts around keeping the existing Smaragds or even planting some between the existing plants. I'm just worried that they are such slow growers that I won't get the privacy I am hoping for over the next 10 years. I love the look of those Spartan Junipers. I will do a bit more research on them. Are yours in full sun? RE: Brothergarm. Any trouble cutting the multiple leaders off the Degroots? I would love to have a number of single leader Degroots at the side of my house but I wouldn't want to risk killing them by hacking off leaders. The bylaw here is 6' fence and we have a 6' fence. The extra foot of lattice would have been really nice. RE: Gardengal. Those European Hornbeams look great and I might consider them for my front yard. For now I'm hoping for a conifer backdrop to the backyard....See Morefunctionthenlook
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