I've been thinking all the way through this long list of preferences--and still can't come up with just two!

Thought I had two winners when I saw Dave's Souvenir de la Malmaison and Munstead Wood. Wonderful choices!

But then I thought how I would miss Love Song. . . . . . or Molineux.

but but but maybe I prefer my old standby--the bright red Braveheart. That one always gets praised when I post pics of it. In which case, I should include its neighbor--Double Delight--which I used to say was the one indispensable rose in any garden.

but I love Felicia, but then there is the gorgeous Eden!

And there are several newer ones that haven't hit their stride yet, but look quite promising for the future . . . .

Nope, can't pick just two! But if Peace would just lose its BS tendency, I'd pick it as the ONE rose every garden should have.

Kate

rats. Well sort of? I think I have to find a place for a Blue Girl now.

Luckily (?) no one I've looked at so far seems to have her for purchase online. Hopefully she won't be in Lowes when the flower snob and I go looking for containers on Friday. A pretty lavender hybrid tea that smells nice is kind of like a puppy to us at this point. LOL

Blue Girl is available from several places online. It also has another name. It is also known as Cologne Carnival or Kolner Karneval in the German.

Darren you have to share the list! Please:)

I saw blue girl bareroot at a grocery outlet. So she is likely around at some places bareroot.

I've been thinking about this since this thread was first posted, and have had a hard time coming up with an answer. The first one is easy: Abraham Darby. I love its color, fragrance, flower form, vigor, bush form. The second one is tough. Would I choose Eden for those flowers that are about perfect to my eye but nearly scentless and susceptible to thrips, or would I choose Bishop's Castle, for its vigor, floriferousness, graceful bush form, and fragrance, or Alnwick Castle for those globular blooms and intoxicating raspberry fragrance? I think I would have to choose Bishop's Castle since as they say, "A bird in the hand is worth two on the bush" and it is way more floriferous in my garden than either Eden or AC. Which brings up another point: I don't think I could say that there are two roses that belong in EVERY garden. I don't think there is a rose will perform perfectly in all climates. Abe is said to be a rust bucket (or worse) in some climates, although I don't think I've heard/read many negatives on Bishop's Castle other than some comments that it has boring color and flower form.

My favorite photo of Bishop's Castle:

One of my favorite photos of Abe, but you all know what Abe looks like.

Hmmm, I really love the color of Bishops Castle

Me too, Kristine!

Noseometer - Oh how gorgeous!!! I love both of your pictures!! Heavenly!! I really agree with you about Bishop's Castle!!! I got it as a new rose last summer...and I loved everything about it.

Yep, that's why I'm so fond of Bishop's Castle. I saw hoovb's photo of her plants, and I had to have some (I have 3).

I guess I still didn't answer the main question of roses that should be in every garden. These two I mentioned above are probably two essential roses for MY garden, but the rose I think that should/could be in just about every garden is...Marie Pavie. It's such an easy rose to overlook, but it is so reliable, so many flowers and such wafting fragrance. It's a fairly small bush, and should fit into just about any garden, The color would blend into just about anything but an all-white garden.

Can Mari Pavie take a shaded location?

Secret (the parent of PHP II) and Julia Child (Absolutely Fabulous for you, Darren)

Marie Pavie can take *some* shade but plant form becomes loose and leggy, and it doesn't bloom nearly as much or as often. The one in the public rose garden here, under a deciduous tree and pergola, is a once bloomer in the spring, with a few flowers at the ends of mostly bare canes. Mine, under a maple tree but getting morning sun for a few hours, don't want to grow much, bloom a few in the spring and fall and are much more susceptible to black spot. They are being moved this year. Of course this depends upon how much shade.

2 of my 3 Marie Pavies are in part shade & 1 is in full sun(or what passes for full sun in coastal W.WA.) & they all thrive. I've had them 7years & wouldn't be without them. They, Mme. Jules Bouche, Little White Pet & Darlow's Enigma are the backbone of my front garden.

Thanks! I always hear wonderful reports of MP's wafting fragrance and wondered if I might find a place for her.

Sharif asma and Jude the Obscure

I cannot name just two, but two of the many are...

Pat Austin

Daisy

Beautiful!

Sun2Shinie, Check your Walmart they had bare root Blue Girl body bags at ours.

Daisy, that is one of the prettiest Pat Austin' I have seen. What a rich color

And Sombreuil, Wow!

Wow, so gorgeous! What beautiful colors of Pat Austin and Sombreuil.

Just for the sheer amount of consistent blooms, I would have to say for number one:

BERYL BACH - almost always in bloom, grows 5ft x3ft, very thorny, beautiful yellow/cream/pink blooms....

And another one that is not only a gorgeous rose, but a massive bloomer as well.... number two:

BLUE FOR YOU

Ask me tomorrow, and I'm sure that might change...

My list of 2 must have have soared thanks to my enabling friends

I may get to plant some roses over at my husband' factory. I see lots of good options.

Just now reading this and have to get into the game. But first to address the Marie Pavie question. Mine are in full sun, and I adore them. They bloom often and mix in well with my other roses. The smell is wonderful. I did hear that they can take some shade. As for my pick of 2? I am going to cheat and narrow it down to categories:

Winners are:

For profuse bloom: Pope JPJII and Julia Child

For sheer beauty: Chicago Peace and Eden Climbing Rose

For cutting and putting in a vase: Veteran's Honor and Moonstone

For fragrance: Firefighter and Grande Dame and lots of others

For Color: Purple (My favorite Rose Color): Twilight Zone and Munstead Wood

Daisy, your Pat Austin is GORGEOUS!! I love mine too. How old is yours? Mine is about 4 years old and lovely, but not like yours.

Sultry- Yay! Thank you!!

I hardly ever want go in Walmart.

But I just said to Al, “We need to go to Walmart tomorrow.” He about fell off the sofa.

LOL ;-)

Daisy - I would love to be able to grow such gorgeous roses!! Y our Pat Austin is sublime! Well done!

I don' shop there very often either but, they have a great selection of solar lights

I also found my Figi there last year

Beth - your Beryl Bach flowers are sumptuous!!

Kristine , qvc is having a special on solar lights today . I bought them last year and really love them. I'm having a hard time convincing myself not to buy today's set . I want them for the back garden but the truth is I don't go out there in the evening much after dark. Youlll get eaten alive by mosquitoes .,

that pat Austin looks heavenly and I love your rose Beth! Of course it's not available this year thank goodness .. I'm running out of room now . But I really like your photos

dizzy you make me so excited for my Marie pavie to come from are! Yay

The other place I saw Blue Girl bare roots this year was Ace Hardware if anyone has one of those where they live. Also, Tractor Supply had BG a few years ago. I haven't been in to see what they have this year yet.

Every once in a while, I see potted Blue Girls at Lowes but its random.

Lilyfinch Speaking of solar things... I always end up buying solar dragonflies and glass balls at Big Lots. Today I mostly resisted, but did buy a solar peacock colored bird bath. I guess it lights up, but the glass with the gold accents was so pretty, I'd have got it if it didn't.

SoFL Rose, My Pat Austin is about 8 years old. It is in a pot.

Here it is the second year in the pot.

Witchy, I have that same solar birdbath. It is so pretty at night

Daisy - Is your Pat Austin supported for free standing? It's gorgeous!

Carol

Carol, it is tied to a post behind it. Which is visible in this photo.

Daisy - wonderful!!! I guess I won't try it then...but it looks glorious in your yard!

Carol

I’ve seen Pat Austin free standing without much pruning wise and it made a rounded shrub and seems to bloom well . I knew someone who grew it and I’ve always wanted to try it. It might be LEH or LOS but I think it is pat Austin,

Garden nut - hmmm...that does sound beautiful. :)

Carol

Witchy and Kristine I haven't made it to big lots this season , I'll have to check it out ! I did get a beautiful white bench there last season. I had my eye on it all summer then they went on clearance and I somehow got one for only $25! I felt like I was stealing it . :)

Depends- Are you willing to spray? If so, Bel' Aroma, and Double Delight.

If you are not willing to spray Knockout and Darlows Enigma.

Daisy - wow 8 years in a pot! Did you have to change the potting mix, cut the roots? And how often do you water it?

I don't have any roses planted (yet), but I prefer the floribundas, grandifloras, and other shrub type roses to hybrid teas. When it comes to floribundas there's simply nothing better than Julia Child. It's disease resistance is amazing and it smells great. I like Ebb tide too, just because I love the deep purple color of it. Disease resistant is supposed to be decent but not as good as Julia. It also smells great too.

At the very least get Julia Child. There isn't a single negative review for this rose on DG and that's pretty rare for roses.

Lilyfinch - ooooh!!! That's a great deal!! Well done!

Perennialfan - really? Your Julia Child has a great scent? It's listed as good on hmf...which is why I haved got it. If it has a great scent...I'd love to get it!!

Carol

Rosecanadian I don't personally grow it (yet). I'm probably going to get one this year along with Ebb Tide and see how it goes. A lot of the websites that have it for sale describe it as very fragrant.

As far as fragrance is concerned, according to this article roses need several things in order to keep roses healthy. The healthier the rose is the more powerful the fragrance will be.

-Adequate water

-Plenty of fertilizer

-Acid soil

It also mentions the scent is strongest on warm sunny days. I have no idea why Julia wouldn't be fragrant for you, but my guess is it's too cold. A lot of roses seem to smell best on hot humid days, which are probably few and far between way up north in Canada (where I assume you are gardening based on your name).

http://www.rose-gardening-made-easy.com/my-rose-bush-has-no-fragrance-this-year-why.html

I also snagged a black metal boat shaped plant stand, but I'm going to leave the shelves out of it, and use it as a trellis. (it will look pretty cool, or pretty dumb lol) I got 2 v shaped ones at home depot for 14 bucks each, and splurged on a wide curved one for 35. I'm most excited about my future boat roses.

Tangles long, I just scrape off the top few inches of soil each spring and replace it with fresh. I do give it a 10-10-10 fertilizer as well, straight away and another handful when I remember during the summer. Very rarely, I water in some seaweed fertilizer too.

Daisy

Witchy, what a score! I love unique garden art too

Perennialfan, have you seen Strawchicago on HelpMeFind? She'd probably have similar soil and weather to you, and in her comments and on her pics she goes into which roses do better with acidic amendments or smell best (and what they smell like!) in her alkaline soil. Some roses with have scent either way, but changing the pH can change the 'notes'. I don't feel like I'm explaining it very well, but you may find you like some roses better without the acidic amendments/soil.

Re: Fragrance in Julia Child (and other roses, for that matter)

Undoubtedly conditions where the rose is grown (weather, soil, light, etc) have something to do with the fragrance expressed. Nonetheless, our ability to detect fragrance is very individual, and varieties of roses smell different to different people. Some people can detect strong, appealing fragrances in tea roses, for example, while others think they smell about as fragrant as a piece of paper. Some people are devoted to the scent of Souvenir de la Malmaison, while others think it smells unappealing. I find that David Austin roses with a myrrh fragrance smell like chemicals to me, but others find them to be sweet and licorice-like. So whether or not Julia Child has a strong, appealing fragrance is going to be partly down to the noses we are equipped with. To me she smells like bananas (probably in part due to her color, which influences how our brains interpret scent).

Beth: Did you really have to show those gorgeous pictures of ‘Beryl Bach’? I went searching for it, and it appears to be unavailable. It’s absolutely beautiful. I just love it. Of all the roses shown here, that’s the one I fell for:) Lisa