Must rootstock AWA scion be hardy to my zone?
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
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Scion storage - is freezing the scion really not good?
Comments (11)Thanks for good ideas. Why freeze? Well, no good reason, just wondering. I like the idea of taking from freezer a few weeks before grafting. And I will use a big freezer bag. (Another change this year, gleaned here, is to cut longer scion - mine used to fit into the small Ziplocks, someone said use the gallon size and longer = more water reserves, etc.) Drying out could be my problem, but the scion seemed OK. I don't have a great feel for that. And my methods are suspect (see the link below). For me my mistakes are sort of free as I have unlimited scion (I help a neighbor on one of the regional pawpaw trials) and unlimited rootstock (wild ones). I get enough takes to call it progress, just looking for things to improve. My fridge is the family one, has apples, ancient leftovers, etc. (The scion are in a separate drawer and sealed in a little box.) Or it could just be something like the day I choose to graft I am a little too early in season (5/8/08 in Iowa), too cool of a day, etc. Interesting idea to freeze in water. I may try a couple. Here is a link that might be useful: grafting pawpaw in the Ozarks (some of the pix are apple or pear)...See Moresantini hardy to zone 5????
Comments (25)Thank you, Maria... at least now we're not all wondering, even though we all pretty much knew that they weren't really hardy to zone 5, and that they aren't really something from Hadeco. Still, it's nice to get factual information straight from the horses mouth, as it were! Once the original copyright or registration runs out on a product, it's ownership and name are up for grabs. I wonder how long the growers that grabbed these were waiting around, drooling for the original patent to expire? Many, many years ago I bought a bunch of bulbs from Breck's... I knew they wouldn't be top-sized bulbs, but I didn't mind waiting a couple of years for them to grow. I must say... I did get my money's worth... they were all beautiful flowers, and by the second year they were in, they really put on a nice show! However... this was years and years ago, when Breck's was more reputable and owned by someone else... I would not place an order with them now and expect their ads to be true... any company that spends that much in advertising and has that glossy and pretty of a catalog isn't putting their profits back into the company or the products they sell. As my experience and learned knowledge of gardening and plants has grown over the years, I know what zones most perennials and bulbs and plants are normally rated for... so, when I pick up a catalog and see a plant listed for a zone I know is not probable, I take it with a grain of salt and note which company the catalog is from... Bumping zones of plants in catalogs has been a sales ploy for a long time... once you have a general understanding of perennial gardening, and you begin to do some cultural reading on the subject, you begin to remember which plants are rated for what zones... The bottom line is... this kind of thing is exactly what you'd expect from a company such as Breck's... and all the other companies of the same caliber will very quickly jump on the bandwagon and offer the same thing, claiming that it will survive in a zone 5 garden... we all know it won't. I suspect most of us knew that already......See MoreQuestion about rootstock, hardiness and tolerances
Comments (14)Will, I think it's best to consider the needs of the roots and tops of the plant separately. The USDA zone rating is a rough geuss but as you know, with so many other factors coming into play as well (wind, wet soil, on and on...) Here's an interesting example from the same webpage you quoted from above: "Cedrus atlantica, brevifolia, and libani are all grafted onto Cedrus deodara, the least hardy of the three. There are several reasons for this choice. The hardiness is not a factor since the deodara root system in the ground is at least as hardy as any Cedrus cultivar above ground. Secondly, the root system is more fibrous and better developed than in the other species making it a much better choice for nursery use." In this example, the top is least hardy, but the roots are most hardy, and the species is the preferred understock. I geuss this all gets at your fourth question to illustrate that you cannot make a plant "more hardy" by choice of rootstock, unless the limiting factor is the hardiness of the roots (not the top) in the first place. I geuss others already made this point more concisely - just wanted to add my two cents and what I thought was an interesting and illuminating example. Alex...See MoreI'm breeding new cold-hardy citrus varieties for zone 8
Comments (154)Herman, thanks for the update. It’s great to see fruit already. How large are the Conestoga 026 Segentrange and Poncirus Plus fruit? They look similar to PT…….or are they larger…….photos can be hard to judge. Great to hear 5* Citrumelo has some sweetness. Fruit ripens around Thanksgiving……but the size is clearly larger than PT…….a nice selection. Getting fruit in 3 years is very fast. I gave my brother who lives in Fairfax, VA a seed grown Citrumelo 12 years ago and it still hasn’t bloomed! Keep the updates coming....See MoreWayne Danielson
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