Bob, if I had one, I’d send you budwood. Why do you want that one in particular? I have xie Shan, dekopon, and some others that are supposed to be quite good. Do you have those?

I have seen the tree at a cousin place in the L/A area, Calif.. And tasted a couple. He can not ship anything out of state, i am not going to ask him.As a matter of facts, i do not want anything from a state under quarantine .

I do have the two you have already, got them from Harris years ago. I love tangerines more than all of the others. With lemons, we don't cook with them, just for cherries Jubilee once or twice a year, a must do thing for her birthday.

Thanks Laura, can always count on you. Btw, I am getting Budwood from several members, different forums and I have send out Budwood to a few , not citrus. April I will be getting mango sion wood and some others. Cool...!!

That’s great for you Bob! I have other satsuma varieties as well - Kimbrough, page, and another...i have trouble keeping those straight. I think once I have tasted all the fruit, I will probably be better about that. I have a few Nules clementines ripening...they will be the first I try from that tree so I look forward to it. That tree has a long gangly branch that I could cut off...;)

Hi Bob,

Unfortunately, the Tahoe Gold is patented, and CCPP will be unable to send you any budwood unless you pay a very hefty patent fee. That's the only reason I ended getting a Tango from FWG.

If you look at the order form (http://ccpp.ucr.edu/admin/exportPDFScreenhouseOrder.php), you'll see it has an LV^UC next to it, meaning it's a licensed variety. There's no legal way to obtain it unless you order a tree from someone :/

-Tom

Big thanks Tom, i was kind-of afraid that it is the case. I am surprise that it is common variety in California only. Well i am satisfy with what i am growing. Scratch that one of. I don't know for how long can they hold a patent,7 years or whenever they feel like? Only have 2 rootstock left, one for another Red Navel. Got to think about some other kind of tree now.

Order budwood, order lots of budwood - - support the CCPP!!! [and don't forget the rootstocks!]

Thanks to this thread, I just noticed that several varieties are back on the budwood list... e.g. Xie Shan and Early St. Ann. Also they moved Shiranui from the early release to the standard list! I will be adding either the XieS or Miyagawa or Early St. Ann to my collection soon - [opinions on the relative performance of these - anyone?]

P-Bob, my mandarin varieties are now between 2 and 6 years in the ground and I am beginning to form some opinions. I've forced ranked them below. Maybe the info might help you decide what to get next... : - ) ?

[NOTE that this ranking applies to what I am seeing in my climate... only!]

Okitsu Wase [Danville & Napa] - early and great taste by Dec. 1

Dobashi Beni [D] - this year's surprise first harvest - tasty by mid Dec.; great color.

Gold Nugget [D] - if they survive the winter freezes, outstanding flavor balance by mid April

Tango [D] - if they survive the winter freezes, outstanding flavor balance by mid March

Caffin [D] - very nice coloration, decent taste by January 1

Owari - [D&N] - late - good flavor - now

Clemenules [D&N] - seedy, just getting mature enough to harvest now [possible issue is with my 1/2 day sun locations]

S. Kishu - [D&N] - mature by Jan 1, that is if the small fruit survives the freezes. Tasty, but I will likely be removing these.

LeexNova [D] - no fruit yet [transplant delay]

If "Page" should be included as a mandarin on the list, then i'd slot it #2 - very tasty, productive, and cold hardy too. Mature by mid December

Best of luck, George

George - I want xie shan and Shiranui, and cara cara! If I could only graft to my existing navel tree. I had no luck last year. I'm not even going to try to get started on the gold series. Unless I find one at costco for 18 bucks. If Shiranuis moved to the standard list, does that mean regular nurseries may carry it in a few years? I can wait.

After planting 8-9 citrus last year, I'm kinda out of space for citrus. I may remove one of my Kishus in the future. Or use that tree for grafting. Right now, the kids are enjoying the small fruits. I have 2 kishus in front for the kids and their friends.

Bob - I want to add a persimmon tree. I'm in CA and can't get alot of varieties due to import restrictions. Fuyu is pretty common here. I think I will settle for giant fuyu. My niece gave me some persimmons that were sweeter and tastier than fuyu, a little bit more flat and roundish than fuyu. I want to say the curves were softer. Ring any bell? It was about medium size.

Junk4 us, Google this name: Kingsberg orchards, you will find a persimmon by the name,Percinnamon. It might be what you are looking for. I can send you budwood but it is possible not going anywhere in California. The fruit is very large, none astringent.

Bob.

Thank you and great tip Bob (Percinnamon). I do have Chocolate and Hachiya in the ground and was impressed by the Choco fruit even though the tree is still too small to produce decently.

I am about to implement another round of musical chairs. Big yards, ...and I STILL don't have enough room! dammit! I will post more comparative info soon. - George

George, are persimmons permitted to California? If so I can send you some good stuff.

I do not know. I'll so some research and find out & advise. I actually do have Lotus rootstock ready to graft onto!

BTW: I could not find a mention of the Percinnamon on the Kingburg website. I will try again tonight....

George, type “persimmon at kingburg orchards”

bob

oh my, that looks interesting. What little info I found tells me that it's a hybrid of hychiya but it doesn't need to be fully ripe before eating. I looked it up and we can receive budwood and scions. I just need to get a tree first so I have something to graft it on.

What other astringent varieties do you have?

George - can we order rootstock from CCPP? How does that work?

I have a couple left on the kitchen counter,they are much bigger than a Hachiya.. I have a bunch Roya Brillianti, s, a Spanish variety, K.B.S,giombo,Sayo, and a few more.