Fuyu or coffee cake/chocolate persimmon?
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Planting persimmons close together vs grafting
Comments (10)Just one branch of chocolate persimmon will make 100% of all fruit on all your trees chock full of seeds. Ask me why I know this? No chocolate, no seeds. It doesn't taste any better than any other ones. I've grown about 15 varieties of japanese persimmons, most as just one branch on a multi-variety tree. Honan red tasted a little different than the others, but not much. I prefer the astringent ones. They are much sweeter than the non-astringent ones. Birds won't bother them as much either. The mockingbirds are now feasting on my non-astringent fruit. They eat about 1-2 a day. My suggestion is plant one saijo. It is one of the best. After 4 years be prepared to get 200-300 pounds of fruit per year. I had one. I cut it down as my other 2 trees produced more than I could eat already. I have bark grafted saijo to the center of my giombo tree. Giombo is my favorite but saijo is close....See MoreYamato Hyakume Japanese Persimmon
Comments (34)We too love the growing out of seedlings. And why shouldn’t we? Chance seedlings, or those deliberately grown by fruit breeders, have been the progenitors of most of the great new varieties of fruits over the past three centuries. Most of the 101 varieties of heirloom apples at Philen Pharms, for example, were originally the result of the choosing of a single seedling that bore exceptionally flavorful fruit and, after that, propagating from grafts of the mother tree to maintain the characteristics of the variety (of course, “sports” (naturally occurring mutations on a branch) can also give rise to a new variety). As Mr. Long correctly points out above, it is a misconception that the fruit of all seedlings will be substandard in taste, but if you're looking to reproduce the flavor, aroma, flesh texture and color of the fruit of a mother tree, you will often be disappointed, especially given that you've nurtured that seedling for six or seven or more years before bearing, which is usually the case with trees grown from seed. As for the Hyakume persimmons mentioned above, if I had not been able to secure grafted bareroot trees, I might too have taken a chance on seedlings from Hyakume seeds found in a purchased piece of fruit, because it's one of my three favorites. And, of course, anyone who has the space, time, resources and determination to do a homegrown version of a fruit breeder’s growing grounds, might one day produce a chance seedling that is a great new find. But for the average home gardener with limited space — backyards aren’t what they used to be — who’s looking to replicate as soon as possible a piece of fruit whose taste is particularly prized, why take a chance on a seedling if you can find a one-year-old grafted bareroot tree on a precocious rootstock that will quicken the time to bearing? And if you can't find one, I believe a grafted tree of another reliably delicious variety is your best bet. For information about our favorite varieties of the temperate fruits we grow, as well as a listing of the finest American nurseries that sell bareroot trees online, scroll down our timeline: https://www.facebook.com/philen.pharms...See MorePersimmons that will ripen in Georgia?
Comments (10)I am pretty novice myself, but to my best understanding and limited but growing experience. When is your fruit ready to pick, around what time of the month does it start to happen? I don't believe I had any fruit ripe prior to November and the three cultivars that have produced for me are Saijo, Tamopan, and Fuyu. My trees are all young none over 3 years in the ground this will be the 2nd summer for most of them. I hopeful that I may get some as early as late Sept based on what some are listed. Do you eat your fruit right off the tree or let it sit before eating it? Does the fruit get sweeter if left to sit for a few days or does it just get softer? I did both, right from the tree, and yes they will continue to ripen off the tree, but I am under the thinking that the longer they remain on the tree the better the sugars will develop. That I believe for both Astringent and non-Astringent. The Astringent need to soften as I am sure you are aware or sometimes they are treated most often with ethylene gas to remove astringency and remain firm. If dried they will lose their astringency and as I understand Freezing removes it as well. I believe most persimmon preferred for drying are astringent, and are prepared while still firm. Non-astringent seem fine after they develop decent color, and I think generally they are preferred before or just as they start to jell in the center. Some of my trees will produce fruit without pollination (is that the right word) but does that mean it doesn't need the help of insects or bees or does that refer to pollen from another tree only? Most of your Orientals do not need pollination, however pollination will generally increase the number of fruit set, and as long as not overset with fruit I have heard it can increase fruit size as well. In addition pollinated fruit are stated to be less likely to abort and drop prior to maturity. The formation of fruit without pollination is called Parthenocarpic. Which differs from Self-fertile where pollination is still needed but can be supplied by the same plant. American Persimmons are a total different story and most do need pollination from male flowers and in most instances that means a male non-fruiting tree. I am hoping none of my cultivars have enough male flowers to cause significant seeds in my fruit, but that is my personal preference. Here is some ripening info from 2 reputable East Coast nurseries, as a general guideline. Edible Landscapes in VA and Just Fruits and Exotics in N. FL. They don't list your PV types but I understand Coffecake to be just about the earliest to ripen. Edible Landscapes: September: Izu, Miss Kim, Sheng, Wase Fuyu October: Gwang Yang, Hana Fuyu, TamKam, Wase Fuyu, Ichi Ki Kei Jiro, Izu, Makawa Jiro, Sheng, Miss Kim, Smith's Best, Sung Hui November: Great Wall, Hychia, Hira Tanenashi, Kungsun Bansi, Miss Kim, Saijo, San Pedro, Smiths Best, Sun Hui, TamKam, Gwang Yang, Hana Fuyu, Makawa Jiro, Ichi Ki Kei Jiro December: Hana Gosho, Tecumseh Just Fruits and Exotics FUYU usually around late October and can remain on the tree for as long as two months. GWANG YANG NAS quality fruit weighing about 6 oz. Ripens later than Tam Kam (late October). HACHIYA Medium size deep red fruit will hang on trees throughout winter. Rated as one of the best for flavor jelly-like ICHI-KI-KEI-JIRO Matures in late October. A bud sport of Jiro. One of the most cold hardy. IZU early Large tomato-shaped fruit with a cinnamon sweet flavor. LINDY'S GIANT ASTRINGENT largest MAEKAWA-JIRO NON- favorites. fruit heavier with a Fuyu mid-October through mid-November. PATAPSCO ASTRINGENT cold hardy October. Keeps well refrigeration t SAIJO Free of seeds and a consistent bearer. Trees are large September into October. SHENG six prominent lobes Ripe mid- September - early October. TANENASHI prolific medium-sized prolonged harvest season. September into November. GIANT HANAFUYU large fruit Trees are very small September -October. GIOMBO Huge Fantastic quality, smooth texture and very sweet. HAO RIVER ASTRINGENT early ripening HONAN RED ASTRINGENT Small, red fruits are acorn-shaped. Rich, sweet flavor is smooth mid-October. IMOTO FUYU Large, square, flattened mid to late October. JIRO mid-size tree large, October. One of the most cold hardy. Zones...See MoreLooking for Hyakume and Maru Persimmon scion wood for trade
Comments (0)I am hoping to add a Hyukume and Maru persimmon to my collection this winter. Does anyone have any scion wood they can spare? I have the following varieties for trade: Coffee Cake, Fuyu, Hachiya In addition, I have several varieties of apple (gala, anna, fuji, dorsett golden) and fig (brown turkey, peter's honey, tiger panache, violette bordeaux, flander's) available....See MoreKevin Reilly
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