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Comments (15)How urgent is your need to buy a house? Could you move into a rental while you look for something that meets your needs? There is a serious misapprehension about old houses that many people get stuck on. It's not an either/or proposition to live in an old house Tthere is no need not to have modern conveniences if you want them: this means electricity, running water, central heat, indoor plumbing, etc. You can often re-designate rooms to more modern uses; i.e. small rooms adjacent to bedrooms can become baths and former sitting rooms can become kitchens, for example. In a general way none of this is harmful to old houses, because it is reversible. However, what really is unfortunate about many remodeling projects, though, is the relentless desire to turn buildings that were orginally made up of distinct rooms into the vast, trendy, spaces that define the modern open plan house. You can see this playing out in the large room in the pictures with the fireplace and the tuructural members exposed by the gaping loss of the partition wall and the four windows in the ell which is a clear - and glaring - example. On one hand you have the lovely fireplace, with its (likely orginal) fireplace surround with delicate Federal-edging into Greek Revival period detailing. But by tearing out the wall and exposing the wooden structural pieces you have a jarring style collision. Exposed (and now empty) mortice pockets and rough hand hewn beams while they look old-timey to our eyes were not intended to be seen, ever. Even on very early houses, exposed structural beams (like summer beams or gunstock posts) often had careful dressing, and even carefully made beaded molding profiles. And then there's the bank of windows in the ell. That room is likely a much later addition (late 19th, early 20 or even later) and may even have had that bank of windows when it was orginally erected. But the look of an array of windows like that is not a match with the rest of the now-combined room. And keep this in mind: houses weren't "thick" as they are now in an era where day time light was mainly provided by windows. So while there were often rooms extended backwards in wings, the massing was often only one room wide, or just two rooms wide on either side of a stair hall. You don't have to choose against modern functions, but you ought to think twice about any impulse to turn an old house into a facsimile of a modern house that is vaguely styled to look like old houses. In other words, you need to understand that old houses, especially really old houses like this one, were always divided into smaller, distinct spaces. If you want a modern, open-plan house, then buy a modern house and decorate it with details that harken back to former styles. As for how you train your eye: well, books like the McAlesters' is good for classifying housing periods. The Midwest has its own set of building traditions, but keep in mind that early settlers to there were likely immigrants from NE and the Mid-Atlantic regions who brought their building traditions with them. At first, of course, they lived in settlement-period houses which were often small and primitive, but as soon as practical they built themselves better housing, an example of that style is this house. It may pay to study housing styles of NE and the Mid-Atlantic regions. Do you have access to a public library? I'd start there by borrowing - and sending via inter library loan- as many of the glossy- picture books showing houses from the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Look at the size of the rooms, and study any floor plans. If you want to do this I could offer sme suggestions for titles that are especially useful. Another (though not with many pictures) excellent resource which every old house owner, including people who are considering buying an old building, should be familar with is the set of Preservation Briefs from the National Park Service. This series of essays is about caring for old buildings, from those of great historical significance (Presidential birthplaces, for example) to just ordinary old houses that are have become extraordinary simply by their survival. (I'll attach a link, below to this series. It will give you a working understanding of the issues surrounding older buildings which will put you light-years ahead of many old house buyers.) You do not have to live without modern conveniences; you do not have to spend endless amounts of money on a money pit; you do not have to live in an unaltered museum piece. But you really should think twice about buying an old house and promptly obliterating those distinctive characteristics that make it a cohesive example of an older building. If you want a modern-style open-plan design then, please don't choose one of the remaining old plan houses to impose this on. Now, the house example you have linked to has had a good deal of this destructive choice applied to it, already,so in some ways it may be a lost cause. But if you buy it supposing it to be an example that has not been enormously altered, you may be disappointed when you encounter its reality. As a starting point, and to begin to learn the vocabularly of old houses, start with reading the Preservation Briefs linked below. There is even one on inspecting old houses and inventoring their conditions, which will help you at the home-inspection stage. This house still has a good deal of "character", but has lost a lot of it in its updating. You shouldn't kid your self about that fact. Some of that character may be easily replaced (you could re-erect the partition wall in the fireplace-room, for an example. Or perhaps even compromise in some way to conceal the the newly-exposed structural pieces, and retain the larger room. But things like getting rid of the grossly out-of-proportion eyebrow windows make take a significant amount of money to un-do. (Well, not hundreds of thousands, but maybe up to 5-10 grand to make that change back. And as I alluded to above the size of those windows mave have been driven by modern fire-codes requiring certain amounts of square feet of escape windows in bedrooms. So changing back might require interior changes as well to allow smaller windows to be installed, boosting the tab.) See if your local historical society has any pictures of this house, or closely similar ones to see what has been changed. There is one other thing I want to point out: Old houses reuire an above-average amount money or time, and sometimes both, from their owners. Their owners get a great sense of personal delight and satisfaction from them. But you can't realistically expect to reap those benefits without also expecting to pay those costs. Perhaps if you have no time, and don't want to make up for that lack of time by investing more money in having someone else do things for you, this is not the right time in your life to own and old house. There is no shame in that. Post back if you want a list of books to help you train your eye to see what's old, and what's just styled to look old. Liriodenron Here is a link that might be useful: Preservation Briefs, Technical Bulletins on caring for old houses...See MoreMatching Siding to 1970’s Orange Multi-colored Brick
Comments (24)Alot of people probably agree with Chloe, but I still think if you can have a green lawn next too a home, the color of the gold/green is a way to bring a bit more color to the home and it blends well, and gives you a way to bring at least a bit of another hue into the home structure. <James Hardie Lap Siding Mountain Sage, Tuscon Gold Straight Edge Shake, Kirkwood MO> This is not a link, but if you type this into a search bar on your computer, you will see a home that has 2 shades of siding. I think it closely resembles the shade of your brick, the white windows you have, and the Sage green color that is complimentery to your home. However, as this is a brick home, I think the way the light reflects off the brick allows you to use the Green gold color that was posted above, with nearly the same result, because the white bricks do not make your house as dark as if it was all the gold color in your bricks. Either way, you will see this home, which has the Tuscon gold color on the upper eave of it and the Mountain Sage on the first story and 2nd story, with white windows which you have. This home has black shutters. With the varied materials of brick, siding, windows, garage door, porch covered, I don't think your home needs shutters at all. But it does show, that if you wanted too, I think your existing porch iron work could be painted black...but your garage and your 2nd story should be the same color of green. Good luck. At least you have a home in excellent shape with a beautiful yard to enjoy, regardless. Just very important to make your home look just right. I think you have enough input to make a decision you will be happy with.http://www.stlsidingpros.com/hardie-siding-2/ If this link works, scroll down to the 2nd row which is like 4 thumbnails below the large picture at the top of the page. This would be the 3rd house from the left. Now I see you have the fabric color close too or near a sage green in your curtains, it appears on your lower level. That is one way to see how nice that hue, or the gold green hue(again, because of your lighter color bricks too)would look very nice on your home exterior....See MoreOur exterior brick house needs to get her groove back *Updated*
Comments (54)Update: We painted the gutters and soffits Benjamin Moore Dragon's Breath and the columns and windows the same color, but desaturated. Changed out the lights, updated furniture, removed shutters and added horizontal fence/gate. We ripped up the hedges in our beds and planted birds of paradise, gingers, a banana tree and vincas. Over time they will fill nicely. Our beautiful oak tree's roots are right below the walkway, and we decided it wasn't wise to mess with it. The week we finished, our dream home down the block went up for sale, and we made an offer. Thankfully since we have invested so much time and love into our home (with a lot of guidance from Houzz) and it sold within 24 hours. So we passed the "finish line" for our current home, and will thankfully we able to admire her beauty when walking the neighborhood. Thanks everyone for your input, and I hope the pictures help others looking to update a side century ranch home!...See MoreColor coordinating my orange brick house
Comments (7)Are the columns cast concrete? Is everything paintable? I love black trim (my house is brick with black trim...) but I don't see it here with the tan brick, I would stick with earth tones. I would paint the two columns a buff color (assuming they are concrete) like Ralph Lauren Burlap. The trim I would keep all off white like Benjamin Moore Linen White- the current bright white is too stark. I would accent the front door and storm door- blue if you like though I'm partial to purple with this shade of tan. If you want to break up the sunroom a bit I could paint the clapboards a couple shades darker than the trim but I wouldn't go too contrasty or it will look disconnected- this was clearly closed in after construction so best not to emphasize it too much....See MoreKathryn
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