I suggest you move the wall out to make it 5 x 10. You'll have a tight fit because of the dimensions. A 'standard' full bath is 5 x 8 ft. A 4 x 4 ft shower on one end would be lovely and suit the space, but you may have trouble with the vanity. The vanity could go at the opposite end, but 4 ft is really tight for a double vanity. You could run the vanity parallel to the room, but that won't leave a lot of clearance in front of the vanity. Then you need to consider whether the remaining space is sufficient clearance for a toilet.

Is the wall that you're intending to put the fixtures on an interior wall? The plumbing for the fixtures needs to be on an interior wall so that can be accessed from behind (without having to destroy the tile) and to prevent freezing.

Thank you. We are not moving any walls as the cost would be too prohibitive, plus it wouldn't work with the adjoining rooms, load bearing wall for second story, etc. We plan on using an 18'' deep vanity, with only one sink. We have seen some at Lowe's, or husband could build one. All plumbing will be on interior walls, as this room is almost in the center of the house.

18" vanity may work, that's by 2.5 ft clearance. Try taping out some layouts to see what works best for you.

I have a bath that is 4 x 7.

I would recommend shower at one end, toilet at the other, on the end walls and a small wall mounted sink in between.

If you want the toilet on the long wall it would have to be an in-tank wall mount (which is what I have), but I started with new framing in the remodel.

This room is down to the studs, including the floor, and pier and beam foundation. The door will open out, into the bedroom.

Haven't thought about a wall mount toilet. I assumed a round bowl one, and likely put it on the same wall as the vanity. Was wondering if the toilet should go beside the shower or the opposite end wall. We thought a 3'x4' shower would probably be about as big as the room would handle, while still having room for a vanity. I had considered a single handle faucet on the side of the sink since wall mounted faucets seem to be harder to find.

You're not getting a true barrier free shower if it's cost-prohibitive to move a wall.

I would not do a vanity. For a room this size, I would follow Palimpest advice. The toilet should be on one end of the room so that you have the 30" minimum clearance from side to side of the toilet. Prefer to have a toilet in a 36" space. Put the shower can you up to 4x4 on the opposite wall and a wall mounted sink that is 12" deep. I would add a deep medicine cabinet over the sink and next to the toilet, I would put in a 12"x12" wide and deep wall cabinet to hold items commonly used in the bathroom.This will give you clearance in front of the toilet and clearance in front of the sink to swing a door into the bathroom. A wall mount toilet will give you even more space. Something like the image below. Are you 4' stud to stud?

Swap the offset with that toilet and an 18”D vanity can run the entire length of that back wall.

Thanks for some good advice and even an image.

I have looked into a solid surface shower pan. Two I have found are Onyx brand and Grifform. I think both are similar or made from Corian, and both have either a ADA curbless or ramped entry, which is barrier-free. I will look into the same product for the shower walls, even though husband likes tile just for walls.

I also will use a shower curtain so that I don't have to have a shower door. Easy to get in/out, and can be opened the entire way.

Love the idea of storage beside the toilet and the medicine cabinet suggestion. I am determined to have a vanity with some counter space, even a narrow 18" one.

Sophie Wheeler, to clarify, is your suggestion to put the toilet on the same wall as shown in the image, except on the front wall? The vanity could then go from a bit out from the shower, all the way, and perhaps narrow shelves opposite of the toilet?

Husband is doing most of the work with some help from relatives, as we have done with the rest of our house. We just aren't great at the planning stage for this size room, not much room for error.

You drawing is exactly what I would do.

My parents' GC screwed up the foundation for a curbless shower. They ended up with a solid surface pan with less that 1/2" curb. Didn't even cause problems when my grandfather broke his hip.

Heatercan be part of vent fan and light to save on ceiling clutter.

Sie2,

You may what to check the code but I remember something about bathroom doors needing to open into the room not out. In the design I posted, I used a slider. I prefer to have 36” space for the toilet just to make it easier to use the unit. A medicine cabinet is a great option, consider one that is 8” deep for the most storage. I would put the lighting beside the cabinets not on top. I would also use three recessed lights the length of the room, one in the shower, one where the sink cabinet would be and another over the toilet. I would use 4” recessed lights. They would also be on dimmers. Your design leaves no space for a trash can. You can a heater vent fan but if you are using tile, consider a heating mat under the tile floor. Your space is small so that should not be too expensive. I would get a shower pan from Duravit or Porcelanosa that is almost curbless instead of building a shower base. I will post some product suggestions for sinks and faucets. I see no need for a wall mounted faucet unless you really want one. I would add a pull down shower bench in your space

Goid luck!

I would tape out your idea on the floor, or somehow mark all the elements on the floor and check for maneuverability. Will a walker get you into the shower and the toilet with ease? Can you place grab bars next to the toilet, both behind the toilet and to the sides? Can you have a bar inside the shower? Personally I would not put any fixed shower seat in there, but instead have a handicapped shower seat if needed for in there. I bought one and it matches my decor :) I use it for holding my basket of shower supplies, foot prop for shaving, and once in a while I use it to sit under the rain shower head.

I have a Kohler 36"x60" cast iron shower pan and after the flooring tile was put in, it is about 2" up off the floor. I think it would be easy to maneuver in and out with a walker and a shower chair. I haven't done it, but I had spent years as a nurse maneuvering wheelchairs around and believe that it would work in my situation. In my situation one would need assistance to access the shower. My bathroom isn't set as a independent ADA accessible bathroom, but it is accessible with assistance.

"You may what to check the code but I remember something about bathroom doors needing to open into the room not out."

No such code. Never has been, never will. The only codes considering swing direction are a matter of egress, where they need to open in the direction of egress which is OUT... that, and not opening over stairs/step...

I have personal experience with in inward opening bathroom door. Some have heard this before. My aged mother came home to my younger brother, who lived with her, having a seizure in the bathroom. The door opened inward and he was wedged up against it. Mother estimated that he was in there at least 30min getting ready for work. Who knows when he started seizing, but she had to call the fire department to rescue him by taking down the door. I was working at the hospital at the time in the ER and saw his name pop up on the screen. He was still seizing. Finally it was under control with IV med. He had a brain tumor. Its been 10 years now and he is still enjoying his life. Never have a inward opening door in a bathroom.

Enduring,

I was not suggesting a fixed bench but a wall mounted folding shelf. A removal bench may take up space in the small space. Sorry to hear about your brother but how would an out swing door hav shelled if the door was locked? Sie2 has 48” deep so she would be using a shower pan that is 48” wide maximum.

Shower seat that I have by MTI

Duravit P3 shower tray for example

Fred,

Thanks for the clarification. I think there is also some rule about not opening into a hallway?

Good luck!

The potential problem with doors opening out into hallways is that you can clock somebody with the door on the way out. But I don't think there is a "code" issue with this in many locales; there's not in mine: plenty of new construction with swing out doors from small powder rooms into halls and entries.

Yay, more ideas! We discussed opening the door toward the inside, but haven't decided on that yet. It currently opens into a bedroom, not a hall. This is an old, 5 panel door that matches the other doors in this old house, so I want to keep it. Doesn't lock, unless we happen to find a skeleton key to it. Husband will look at the wall and any potential of a sliding door.

We will probably get a heater, vent, fan unit, with a night light. While the heated floor is a nice idea, our other tile bathroom floors don't have this, so I think an overhead heater will be enough to heat this small of a room. We definitely will want a recessed light in the shower. We are lowering the original 12' ceiling down to 10', as is the rest of the house.

We do plan on putting up grab bars on all three sides in the shower. Prob won't all around the toilet yet, but but that option will be there. I do plan on a paper holder that includes a grab bar.

We have looked at both a fold up shower seat or can put a shower seat in there later on if the need arises. I am not sure there is enough space for a built in one.

I don't have any experience with a wall faucet over the sink, but seems like it would have less cleaning around it. We didn't see any at the stores we happened to be at, so had decided on a single handle regular one, and we both liked the idea of mounting it on the side of the sink. There are some examples of sinks done this way somewhere on this site.

I like the idea of a recessed mirrored medicine cabinet over the sink. There are some very nice looking ones available, and it also would match the age of the house. I don't think anything too modern looking would match this house. I probably will go with a classic traditional look.

Beside the toilet, I am not sure if I want a stack of shelves or just cabinet height. Either way, I wondered about open shelving with baskets instead of making room for cabinet doors. So funny someone mentioned space for a trash can, and have one beside each toilet in other bathrooms or under the sink.

I have sort of marked off this space to compare to a bathroom we are now using. We don't have mobility issues, so I can't really tell about how easy it will be to move around as with a disability. The shower floor is a stock size at 3'x4', so I assume it is a common size.

I am needing to compare quality and price to various sold surface shower floors and walls. I esp like the idea of no more grout to clean, as our other two bathrooms are tiled.

Hey, Homepro, I didn't even see your comment about a bench :) With some of these longer threads, I miss things that are already discussed. I brought the topic up, because of the perceived need of flexibility. A fold up bench would certainly provide flexibility.