Mel's Heritage: It should be the OGR of the future
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Comments (20)Sometimes too big of a deal is made of ploidy, but the general idea for rose people goes like this... Although you can find roses of all sorts that have poor fertility, or are unwilling to cross with certain other categories of roses, one clear category which has fertility issues is triploids. And when you cross a diploid (most species roses, rugosa hybrids, many polyantha types, and many miniatures) with a tetraploid (most HTs, HPs, and many others), you will usually get a triploid. Triploid fertility ranges from not too bad to nonexistent. If your luck is really terrible, you will have reached a hybridizing dead end, but hopefully triploidy's only a bump in the road. Crossing a triploid with a diploid will usually result in diploid offspring, and crossing a triploid with a tetraploid will usually produce tetraploid offspring, so with some luck you can usually get to whatever ploidy you want with one additional crossing. There are some fine roses that are triploid, including a number which have major fertility problems, like Belinda's Dream, an otherwise wonderful rose. So don't take this as a huge slam on triploids, like I said, sometimes too big a deal is made of it. Certain growth characteristics seem to be tied to ploidy, and sometimes a triploid might be just what you want. But for me, intending to cross a (diploid) dwarf poly with a (tetraploid) Portland, it's a bridge to be crossed. Note that this post contains countless extreme oversimplifications. If you want to try your hand at hybridization, you should research ploidy more....See Moreogrs in raleigh, nc- are there any?
Comments (17)I am not sure that Donny is still in Raleigh. I saw a few posts by her several months ago in which she indicated that she was moving. You are not going to find anything worthwhile seeing on Myrtle Beach but to see Charleston is always a joy (not in August though). At Ann's advice we visited Hampton Park in Charleston several years ago. I do not know much about the parkÂs present status but that is an OGR garden with Noisettes, teas, Chinas and Hybrid Musks. We were there in October  it was sunny and warm but not unpleasantly hot. It is a Âno-spray public garden so one can see by fall which roses fared well and which roses should have gotten more attention. The roses were not marked and our map was out of date - still I learned a lot there. Roses Unlimited (they are close to Ashdown) in SC has a huge display garden around the nursery; both antiques and moderns are planted there. We were there in torrential rain so didnÂt enjoy much of the display offered. I wish you better luck as we had....See MoreOGRs in warmer zones - REAL sizes/habits/experiences
Comments (23)You should also look into the book Antique Roses for the South. There are many roses that where found in Louisiana and would do great for you in NO. Besides the one you already mentioned, Mclinton Tea and Maggie are both found roses from Louisiana and Maggie I think is considered a bourbon. I live in Deep South east Texas that practically borders Louisiana so I have a very similar hot and humid climate as you do. Sdlm does great for me with minimal black spot and Peggy Martin is amazing for me. I agree that teas, bourbons and noisettes will do great for you as well as some of the polyanthanyhas like Marie Daly and Marie Pavie. If all else fails you can call the Antique Rose Emporium and they can lead you in the right direction. I deal with with black spot, mold and other humid fun stuff and it's just the name of the game where we live. Most all my teas rarely black spot but if they do I don't sweat it because they grow and bloom for me regardless. Have fun choosing! And let us know what you finally do choose :)....See MoreDoes this bromance have a future?
Comments (10)Perma, mine are still babies. Mel's has some 4-ft tentacles but they are about the diameter of a pencil. M. Tillier is about 2.5-ft tall and I just got William a week ago. I think that M. Tillier and William will both become gigantic if they live long enough. M. Tillier may be pruned down to maintain a tolerable size. Not sure about how large Mel's will get in Florida. We do not have a lot of data on R. wichurana in Florida (he is 1/4 R. wichurana) and Floribundas (he is 1/4 Floribunda) usually need to be grafted to survive so I do not know what size to expect from him or if he will survive more than five years. I am training him to climb up a tree. I think that even some teas are risky. They are so variable in their backgrounds. Some of them will not do so well. I consider most of them to be experiments except for the ones that show up on more than one "recommended for Florida" list....See More- 6 years ago
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