You may know that they were named in honor of the German botanist Johann Gottfried Zinn. I wonder how he pronounced his name. I have imagined that it was probably zin, not zeen, which has led me to the zin pronunciation. Any German speakers out there? More "Zin" than "Zeen," in German. But what about Diervilla? To the extent that people ever speak about it at all, it seems that most people say Dye-er-VIL-a, but Merriam-Webster gives Deer-VIL-a and I have one British example of DEER-vil-a. However, it's named for a French botanist with the surname Diereville, which I would pronounce as Dee-AIR-a-vee, so maybe the pronunciation should be Dee-air-VEE-ya. BTW, the real Albany is in New York.

Hi, Yes you are right with your drawing on the right. The pups will grow up and have pups of their own. Sans seem to benefit from growing in colonies like this, versus being separated the into separate plants. Not a silly question.

I find that roses with more substantial petals (like perhaps the HT Dream Come True) will last as well in the vase or even longer than on the plant, if kept cool. Roses can drop petals more quickly in dry or hot weather, and cutting them can help, or even refrigerating them like exhibitors do. On the other hand, there are roses like some of the David Austin multipetal fluffy roses that are desperately fast to drop their petals when cut, so they're better enjoyed in the yard. And no, it's not remotely a silly question. We're all rose fanatics here and want to enjoy the blooms as long as possible. We can totally relate... Cynthia

WRT to logos as status symbols, I am in a pretty odd situation, hence the reason for my query. Where my children went to school, there was no such thing as a consumer goods status symbol because every child knew every adult's business since they were ridiculously young. In Silicon Valley so much information about who is who and who earns what is public, there are no big secrets where financial worth are concerned. Plus you knew who had never set foot on a commercial airplane by the time you were in middle school, for example- and this applies to public and private school likewise. If perchance I go silent on this thread again, not even thanking people for their comments, it's because I am having Houzz interface problem. I can comment on some threads, and not others. The little box shows up without the "Submit" button. And on those threads, I can't like or thank people. This has happened before and it clears up- eventually. I am traveling and am on an ancient MacBook, so maybe that is why.