I am guessing you do not watch many news programs or read the newspapers. This is old news.

Better late than never :)

Forgive me for not reading every article of newspaper and keeping a news channel on every day! Heaven forbid... lol

This is a discussion page you do realize, im wondering anyone finds this "old" news interesting or surprising.

This is more fake news, vith. Just ask the President or any of his "staff" at the White House. Sorry for the sarcasm, but I think everyone (in both parties) is trying to come to grips with the consequences and reality of having such an ignorant and unqualified person in such an important job. Same is true of the VP, most of the Cabinet secretaries, etc. I wish us all the best.

"I always thought the whole Trump and Russia thing was bologna, which turned out correct."

Not so fast. Remember that the "Trump and Russia" thing could involve his coterie beyond his direct involvement, which is equally if not more dangerous. They're all children playing serious games with adults and don't understand how the games are played and what the consequences could be. Thankfully there are capable investigations going on and we'll all know more when they're done.

Did you even read the article...? How is a coup on Montenegro fake news? And why should we not be concerned about it?

Although political threads get posted here, and I am not saying it is wrong to, but The Kitchen Table is generally a discussion page for casual topics. Are you aware of the Hot Topics forum, Vith? You might find it to be a better fit for political topics: LINK or look for it in the gardening side of GW, where the link is located directly below Hot Peppers.

Lol, so that's why I couldn't find hot topics it was in the garden. :) I swear I did look for something like that, but I usually stay on the home forums side.

Elmer I think you are right some of Trump's underlings may be in cahoots but I never thought Trump himself was in on it, at least when it comes to the election meddling. The real problem with him is the conflict of interest between all of his business ventures abroad and his name is on it all.

I am wondering if we have ever voted in a president with so many abroad business ventures like this before.

Mr Fudd, I did not say there was anything wrong with Vith comments or posts. In fact, I specifically stated there was not a problem. Geez. Just because you don't find HT interesting, does not mean that others do not. Geez x2 Since HT is difficult to find, and most don't even think to look for it in the Gardening forums, or are even aware it exists, I was just trying to be helpful.

I thought what you said was clear, these are your words:

(this) " is generally....for casual topics" and

(Hot Topics) "a better fit for political topics"

If I misunderstood what you said, sorry, but I think maybe you might have expressed yourself differently. Your sentiment as per the above doesn't seem ambiguous.

"I am wondering if we have ever voted in a president with so many abroad business ventures like this before."

I have mixed thoughts about this. It's like this - in nominating someone to be, say, Secretary of the Treasury, is the public better served by having someone with NO financial experience, or with a lot? If you like "a lot" (as I do), then how to find someone who couldn't be argued to having conflicts with a prior employer or with their own personal investments or business activity? I don't think it's possible. Another example would be something like an FCC appointee - if someone has telecommunications industry experience, where might that have come from? Certainly not from working in government. Some conflicts aren't avoidable when looking for someone with knowledge to do a particular job.

If an office holder needs to be free of any possible conflicts, isn't it worse to be stuck with candidates and officeholders with no substantive career experience, no financial success, no real world knowledge. In Trump's case, the problem as I see it is that they haven't put in place safeguards so that there's no possibility for him to profit personally from his functioning in government. Too many conflicts of interest not prevented.

Seriously, Mr Fudd? Must you argue about something not even addressed to you, then top it off by using segments from what I wrote out of context? Rhetorical questions BTW, because yeah, it is apparent you felt you must.

"Although political threads get posted here, and I am not saying it is wrong to, but The Kitchen Table is generally a discussion page for casual topics. You might find it to be a better fit...

Repeating for emphasis... AND I AM NOT SAYING IT IS WRONG TO

Of course Russia meddles. It would be naive to not realize that the US does it's fair share of meddling in other governments as well.

vith, better you learn this later than never.

Quick answer to your question, Vith, yes. This person holding the presidency is the first to do many things, none of them remotely good, imo. There has been nothing but conflict of interest but they will/are getting away with it. It boggles my mind that so many nod their heads in agreement as they have no idea what's going on.