thanks to both of you - right after I posted this I called my real estate agent friend and she said the same. As long as it's similar (high end, ss, etc) the brands don't really make a difference. Am now 95% set on the DCS 30" range, AG, manual clean and the Bosch 500 series wall oven, either 30" or 27" - will depend if it makes a difference in how big the cabinet needs to be to hold it.

OK I spent about 6 hours or so researching the "Latest" info (reviews, problems etc) on these ovens, Let's start out with Bosch. Bosch. Many reviews out there, AJMadison, Chowhound,Retrievo etc etc. In this case I looked at Reviews by Consumer Reports readers that bothered to fill in the surveys that CR sends out. There were 13 reviews, of the 13, 4 complained about uneven heating in the ovens.I mention this because of rhomes experience with her GE ovens, but this is only info for one model Bosch oven so be SURE to look for reviews on the model you are interested in! Here's the link http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/kitchen-appliances/cooktops-wall-ovens/wall-oven-ratings/models/user-reviews/bosch-hbl5450uc-99019387.htm#readReview Miele Ovens To be honest, one really has to hunt to find any "Newer information" on the "alledged temp problem" It used to be "easy to find", Retrievo, Chow Hound, FIxit, Just Answer, etc etc. Here is the "Latest" "On the Miele: Broiler seems underpowered at 2000 Watts, but they claim it's "infrared" (doesn't look infrared so I don't know), but it's also a 12-pass broiler vs. Wolf's 3800W 8-pass). Read complaints of oven not reaching set temp, but talked to Miele, they acknowledge and say problem is fixed. Oven light is either on or off while you cook - no button. Timer maxes at 99 min 59 seconds." Here is the link for that: http://cookaholics.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2547 If that is the case, don't you think it would be nice of Miele to at least get hold of the owners who have complained about temp problems and notify them of the fix, Even if Miele is not willing to pay for the fix? I know Baver and Larsi, just gave up, and there is NO BIGGER FAN of Miele than Larsi, (at least that I know of), anyway read the link and decide for yourselves, (I'm taking a chance just posting this as I will probably have to make a "Fast Getaway from two of our favourite women, here in Garden Web, (both with great Miele ovens)! OK Last, but not least, Gaggenau Ovens. Hard to find reviews for the ovens, of the ones I found most are positive, but--- I did find one where the user has complained about chipping porcelain and a lack of response from Gaggenau, I put this here for rhone. (see the link below). http://hellopeter.com/gaggenau/complaints/bad-quality-and-pathetic-non-existent-service-873959 Now , to be honest, I really had to hunt for that one and it is only one oven but as I mentioned their is a dearth of info regarding Gaggenau ovens in general. I'm not a big fan of the Gaggenau due mainly to price and their 40% price increase in just one year, (about 3 years ago now, as I recall). Another thing that bothers me, is when you look up a part for a Bosch or Thermador oven, (Example Bake Element), that same part is used in the Gaggenau oven, so one wonders?? What am I paying all the extra Money for, Name, fit & finish, some "Untouchable/intangible Asset"?? Now don't take my word for this, Here is a link that shows the parts: http://www.reliableparts.com/product/Element-Bosch-Bake-1477152/Bosch-Oven-Range-Parts-461422 Now I will be the first to congradulate rhome, should the Gaggenau oven be all she needs it to be, nobody deserves it more than her, and I only offer the above in the interest of "Full Disclosure" as well as her best interest. I hope she can find a "Deal" on one. That's All Folks!!! Gary

I had the very similar issues to @seb225. The service tech made multiple visits and ended up replacing pretty much every electronic component in the oven. After being unable to fix it, and at least 15 phone calls on my part, Bosch finally authorized a replacement oven. When the new oven arrived, the model number had a either a /1 or /2 at the end, indicating an update from the original. After using it for a while, it was time to descale the appliance again. Running the cycle, Bosch had actually changed how it worked (removing one step, IIRC), but the end result was the same, and the oven never properly finished it's descaling cycle. On both the original and replacement, this manifested itself with a strange behavior. When you were using the oven in any of the steam modes, and you opened and closed the oven door, the display would return to the clock, as if it were off. The reality was that the oven was still running, but there was no indication on the display. The only way to fix this would be to go to the breaker panel, turn the oven off and then back on, and it would work fine (while still prompting you to descale it), until you ran the next clean or descale cycle, when the behavior would reappear. After a couple of months of this, and the oven believing that it had not been descaled, it entered a steam lock-out mode, which disabled all steam modes (including clean and descale) until you descaled the oven, rendering it pretty useless. After a few more tech visits and multiple phone calls, Bosch authorized a refund, I replaced both Bosch ovens with the Wolf E series convection and convection steam ovens, and couldn't be happier. One nice bonus is that the Bosch had to be descaled after every ~4-6 hours or so of use, and the Wolf is ~36-42 hours of use.

Have you considered the Bosch Benchmark series over the 800? Here is a link showing the differences. https://blog.yaleappliance.com/bosch-benchmark-vs-bosch-wall-ovens I had a KA double oven that I purchased in my previous house and did not have any issues. In my current house my decision was between the GE Cafe and Bosch Benchmark. I did not consider the KA because of the lack of a Hi and Low broil. Good luck with the research!