Needs design help with patio border
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6 years ago
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Comments (7)A few things to think about not related to specific plants is the amount of litter they produce on the patio. Lots of flowers means lots of petals and possibly leaves falling and lots of sweeping if you want it to stay clean. Also, you and your guests will be sitting right there with them, so plants that look good from afar, might not look that great close up all year long. They might look great when they are blooming, but not so great when they are out of bloom and can detract from the overall look. Another is the ultimate size of what you are planting - 30" depth is not alot. Most plants that grow to 3 feet tall, will likely be 3 feet wide or more and that would mean lots of pruning, or taking up lots of your hardscape area. I don't know how tall your knock outs are now, but expect them to get quite large, and will probably hang over your patio alot unless you severely prune them. That might be OK, but something to think about. Some nice plants that look good all the time for your backbone, and then some pocket color to break up the sameness. Small nandinas give you beautiful winter color in sun, always look good, and don't drop alot of litter. Rosemary looks good all the time, and blooms are small so the litter won't be so in your face. Purple fountain grass gives great color - good for background or at the end of a bed. Liriope for a border - easy care. Moss verbena is good. Stella d'Oro daylilies. Summer phlox. A few bulbs like jonquils for winter, oxblood lilies for fall could be interplanted. Blue Shades ruellia is a great ground cover. Plumbago are gorgeous, but I think our growing season isn't long enough in DFW to get a good show after the first year when you buy that beautiful blooming plant in the nursery, and then it barely blooms the next year (that's been my experience anyway). But try 1 or 2 in the mix, and maybe you'll have better luck. A couple of tropical hibiscus, but they are annuals and would have to be replanted every year. Pieris never did well for me - it might be a heartbreaker. Part of the fun is trying and failing and trying again, but I know that can get expensive, so having learned so many expensive lessons, I now plan carefully, and expect most of the information on the plant tags (especially mature size) to be outright wrong!...See MoreNeed help with deck/patio design
Comments (10)I would also question the need to relocate the deck steps. I quite like the way they flow in the pics......seems very well thought out with respect to both the house and landscape connection. It would appear to me that the focus should be on the ground plain. That seems to have been approached rather randomly and looks unfinished. And neglected :-) As it is now, it doesn't do the deck and stairs - or the rest of the landscape - justice. A single paving material to address all under deck and connected areas would help to unify the space. And clean out and replace offending plant material with something low growing and manageable......maybe just a single groundcover. Can't see the area clearly enough or what is planted there now to provide more detailed advice......... Can you explain the need for a cabana? And why you think it should be located in the position you describe? Without a very pressing need for one and in that specific location, I think that would be a huge design mistake! Actually, even with a good reason, I think that siting would be a design mistake :-) I will second Revolutionary Garden's suggestion to hire a local designer to work through this issue with you. In addition to the potential expense involved, there's just a lot more detail and specifics to work through than can be successfully addressed here with just some online comments and advice....See MoreNeed Help for Patio Design
Comments (2)Start by cleaning and professionally staining the pavers. Get larger lantern lights and see if you can get some that take higher wattage, are LED and can be dimmed. Where are your electrical outlets? Plan on some curtains to give you privacy from the neighbors. Then treat it like a room in your house. Add a dining area, a seating area, one or two rugs and lights overhead. Can't really tell where the gas line is; can you mark it on the photo and reload?...See MoreNeed help designing backyard patio - location, size, shape
Comments (13)"Problem is finding a good paver "setter" who has a bit of creativity & vision." It's a mistake to think that paver installers are the ones that should be responsible for designing the project. Installers are primarily interested in installing the maximum square footage of patio that you will buy, and could probably care less about the layout, other than that they would prefer you provide a good one so they can walk away with pride and end up with a decent project for their portfolio. While they will design it by default, if you don't provide a design, the quality of their ideas will be on on you. If you don't have the design skills (alone or in conjunction with this forum) to design the patio, then you should be consulting with a LANDSCAPE DESIGNER, not a paver installer. Get the design done first, and then find an installer to place it. If you don't have a design (on paper) then you have nothing to bid on. In that case, every contractor you talk to will recommend different things and the pricing will be all over map. You'll have bids you can't compare with other bids because they'll all be for different things. As far as 12' vs. 14' depth, I would consider 12' the absolute minimum usable dimension. A designer would want to know the exact furniture that you're placing on the patio, and the contingencies for when you want to set up for the occasional larger group for special occasions, if that ever happens. Even if it never happens for you, it would be typical of most households. If resale (ever) is a concern, I wouldn't make the patio the absolute smallest a person can "get by" with. One that is of a size usable for a typical "family" with your size house in your type of neighborhood, would be a better choice. Rarely does anyone make a patio that they think is too large. Usually, they're wishing they had a little more space. I suggest figuring out your furniture and all uses and make the patio comfortably large enough to accommodate everything with a little extra room added. There's little point to building something new that you regret soon after you start using it. The difference in cost between barely-big-enough and comfortable is not that great. Buried utilities rarely limit a patio's placement. Water, sewer, gas, electricity are (should be) deep enough to be well below a patio. They might warrant some caution in excavation, but this is nothing to be fretting over. Irrigation lines might be shallow, but still probably won't be a problem. In the worst case scenario, if they are very shallow, they can easily be rerouted. (Some reconfiguration is likely anyway, since you don't want to be watering your patio.) Cable and telephone (if anyone has that any more) tends to the shallowest. These can both be rerouted to a lower placement or different route. Whether you abut or space it away from the structure, in order to make room for foundation beds, make the patio length (its longest dimension) be parallel to the home, not perpendicular to it. (Something said earlier made me think this was possibly going wrong.)...See Morebeebalm16
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