Mislabeled rose -- What is it?
malcolm_manners
6 years ago
The National Botanic Garden in DC appears to have 'F. J. Grootendorst'
labeled correctly. But what is this rose that they are calling
'Grootendorst Supreme'? Flowers nearly 3 inches across. No indication
of R. rugosa blood in it.
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summersrhythm_z6a
6 years agoRelated Discussions
purple beauty or not? sigh.
Comments (24)Carol, I think the full bloom on your third picture is spot on to what mine is and the buds too. Mine sometimes has a darker streak on the buds that go away after opening. and I am in the south so that could make a difference. I think it lasted several days in a vase and would perfume my office with one bloom. People came looking to see what smelled so good. First bud on a cutting I rooted. Looks very similar to yours. mine stayed small the first 3 or 4 years, I almost shovel-pruned her. but after that, she would get well over 6 o 7 ft tall. You can't see the porch. I would prune her back to about 2.5 ft in the spring and would have blooms on her until early December. Normally grew straight, tall, but would get so heavy with blooms that the canes would lean (like the shepard's crook). And she was prickly. My only issue was she would get bare knees, but I just planted something shorter in front of her. As you said blooms and fragrance outweighed the issues. Another to show how tall she would get. It may have been near Christmas, but may not have been. LOL...See MoreMislabelled rose? Another Pretty Jessica question
Comments (17)I had another look this morning and there was really no perfume to speak of. I haven't seen the Mayflower in person but some of the photos look quite similar. Supposedly the Mayflower has some perfume though? It also says on HMF that it's very resistant to black spot - this rose isn't - it's reasonable. Vasue, I'm not sure that it's Tournament of Roses or Camelot as the blooms don't seem to ever be high-centered. Camelot is a bit too coral I think. Thanks for looking though, any other ideas? I'll try and take a picture of the whole bush tomorrow so everyone can see how it's growing. None of my other Austins are similar, they are more delicate-looking and branching, this rose is like Jack's bean stalk! The petals are definitely more waxy and substantial than my other Austins too, which explains why it does so very well in the heat. The foliage is also quite sparse - to try and say it properly - the internodes are quite long??...See MoreMislabeled roses, en masse!
Comments (10)@Kimberly Wendt (Florida Z. 10b) I'm not surprised. During all the years I managed and sold in retail and wholesale nurseries, frequently encountered people who simply bought what was "pretty" and weren't concerned with much else about the rose, and many other plants. I was also surprised how many didn't care the one without the flower was a better plant, they frequently wanted the one with the "pretty face". It didn't matter they were the same variety and the one without color had grown more vigorously, was better pruned, had developed better, they often just wanted "the pretty one". It drove me nuts as I was the one who obsessively made sure they were true to name and wanted to supply them the best possible of what they sought. As you probably should also guess, they were also usually the ones who wanted to return plants because "they were dead". Not the PLANT, the FLOWERS had died. You can guess some of those conversations......See MoreMystery mislabeled rose
Comments (5)Whether Iceberg is thornless or not depends upon where on the bush to climber continuum the plant exists. The original seedling was a bush with very few to no prickles. That plant mutates to a climbing sport which has large, sharp prickles, but that isn't an "on"-"off" mutation. It is a continuum so one plant may be short, bushy and smooth while the next is significantly larger with some prickles and the next may be quite large with many, large prickles and all of them are really shrubs, not mutated all the way to the full climber. Your rose COULD be Iceberg. High Country sells all three color and the climbing sport of Iceberg. Have you sent the photos to HC and asked their opinion on what it may be?...See Moremalcolm_manners
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoIt does rather look like Rhode Island Red, but I have to doubt that in that it did not appear to be trying to climb (is there a shrub form??), and I did not notice the wonderful fragrance that RIR has. Also, it seems to me that RIR has a pointier bud than this (photo here of "Fields of the Wood" in our garden, thought to be 'Rhode Island Red').
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