There are (or were) the likes of Coquette des Blanches, Louis d'Arzens, Madame Alfred de Rougemont, Madame Gustave Bonnet, Lady Emily Peel, Coquette des Alps, Madame Francois Pittet, Perle des Blanches, and surely others I'm forgetting from just Lacharme. Geschwind's 'Marie Demar' strikes me as belonging in the group as well. The problem is finding any that are still available in the US besides BdN, CdB, LdA, and Marie Demar. I've read in a past thread that Ashdown offered several rarely found Bourbon-Noisettes, but Rogue Valley has not offered them despite receiving Ashdown's stock upon closure. I hope they are planning on releasing them someday, but that seems unlikely at this point. Jay

I love, love this forum - I learn so many interesting things! I have 2 comments: 1) I grew Buff Beauty along a fence. It went up an arch that was supposed to be for Cl. Iceberg, and over to the house, and then started racing Iceberg up the house. The BB got at least 13 feet up the house (before we had to cut it back to paint) - that was about 22 feet in total away from its base. So, I agree that it can, indeed, be grown as a climber (at least here in No Cal). It is now again putting out long canes and aiming to get back onto the house so it can go vertical again! 2) I am intrigued that evidently there is a controversy about the "everblooming" Cl Cecile Brunner - whether it might be the "spray" version. I was so amused that it took DNA testing to confirm that the 3 types of CB (bush, spray, and climber) were indeed sports of each other, instead of the spray one being a completely different rose (which was the "conventional wisdom" of even very expert rose folks for decades). A reconfirmation of the old "if it walks like a duck....."adage. Thanks greybird! I have all three versions of CB in my garden. The climbing one (which repeats only sporadically with scattered bloom) grew 3 stories up my house. The spray one (which is VERY VERY old - 80-90 years, at least) is 8-10 feet wide, and 10-12 feet high. So, does anyone have the "everyblooming" CB "climber" that has actually climbed up 20-35 feet, like the original climber? Just curious. Jackie

I use Benetint. It comes in a bottle with a tiny brush. I found it to be too watery to blend nicely and too pink and artificial looking with my pale skin tone. It only comes in one shade. It looks better when my skin is a bit tanner in the summer. At $28 for a teeny tiny bottle, I will not purchase this again. You can use it on lips for a tint if you do not care for the greasey, glossy look lipstick has, but it does not stay all day as it is easily washed off with water or beverages that are drunk. No experience with the other two products you mention. Clinique use to make a gel style liquid cheek tint in a bottle that I loved, but they discontinued it and replaced the item with a similar product that I don't care for as it has more satuated color and looks artificial on me but you may have different results with your skin. It is a 'mousse' style cheek tint in a jar.

Hi Joseph....I was hoping you'd respond! :). I'm an avid fan of yours (blush). We prefer an undermount sink because it's easier to wipe counters off onto the sink and as well because the emphasis will be on the countertop (Cristallo quartzite with gold and copper veining). The only reason we are considering a top mount (which we have now) is because it's easier to replace the sink (hubby might be able to do himself), should it need to be replaced in the future. I'm a bit of an OCD when it comes to the house/kitchen looking pristine all the time (and I both cook and bake A LOT). We are having a difficult time deciding on what sink (Brand, etc.) and color to get. White is out of the question as it's too intrusive next to our stone. Hubby wants a copper (my original idea), but two factors for us to consider is: We have hard water, and heard that may spot the sink, and also PRICE. Paying 2-3K for a sink is out of the question (financially) for us. We are stomped! Our kitchen cabinets are honey maple, our island (in works right now) will be a creamy white color, and then we have the Cristallo quartzite.