I have avoided this post because this is SO HARD to answer. I feel like if I mention one, the others seeds will say, "Well, fine! We won't germinate for you!" So my lips are sealed. Truly, it's after they really grown in the yard (and second or third year on perennials) that I get an idea of whether i truly look forward to them or not. I've noticed that when I rely and wait eagerly on one plant, it always seems to be another plant that I sorely underrated that performs (and dresses up the garden) beyond my wildest dreams (and beyond the one I was waiting so eagerly for). Linda

My definition is any plant which INSISTS upon being where I insist it not be. Osteos become that here, self seeding and germinating vigorously anywhere they can get a foot hold. Not quite as much as alyssum, and much more vigorously rooted and permanent than that one. If they remained the shorter, bushier plant the ads claim them to be, perhaps they would be nicer. They don't, though. Like a berry plant, they flop over, root along the growth and create new shoots in addition to the seedlings. I doubt you would have the issue elsewhere in climates not like their places of origin, but that's what they frequently do here. Kim

I have hardy ageratum seeds and a few French hollyhock seeds.

I have lots of 4-nerve growing on the place. Can bring you some plants if you're going to the SA swap.