Do I Have to Rip out the Ceiling to Upgrade my Range Hood?
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Comments (29)Hi - this thread is a little old now so this might be too late, but I have some related Qs even after reading all this helpful advice. I'm starting gut reno of a 120+ year old townhouse in NYC and plan to install 36" bluestar with 2, 22K BTU burners (in addition to other smaller burners of course) which we'll use primarily for stir fry. We HATE grease smell in the house and cook all the time, so want to get what we need for the stove we have. So I'm fine getting major CFM, if that's what it takes, but my concern is the ducting. It seems we have 2 options - up an existing chimney (which we're having relined and is not used for fireplaces; fireplaces were all sealed up decades ago) - but that would be 3 stories or about 50 feet needed to get to the roof and I wonder if that's too far for it to function properly...2nd option would be to bring it down into a soffit on the floor below (a rental apartment that already has a dropped ceiling) and vent out of the exterior wall, but this would require making a new hole in our masonry, and would mean the venting would be just outside our kitchen, under a french door that we're likely to want to open often while we're cooking - so the smoke could in theory end up back in the kitchen, no? I am by no means an expert so forgive me if I'm totally off base here, but any thoughts/advice would be much appreciated. Thanks!...See MoreDo I have to get a 48" hood if I have a 48" range?
Comments (8)Adding to the good advice given above, I'd suggest that you search the many hood discussions here and I especially recommend posts by kaseki. You will find that what you are considering is actually counterproductive to your goals. To summarize briefly: First, if you are putting cabinets over that 48" range top, read the installation manual for your rangetop. On most rangetops, cooktops and ranges, the manual will specify that bases of the upper cabinets should be at least 30 inches above the stove top. IIRC, some even specify 36". Going lower is considered a fire hazard. Thus, you really can't gain cabinet space over a 48" range/rangetop by using a smaller hood. Second, the effectiveness of ventilation hoods has as much or more to do with hood "capture area" as blower power. If you want to try to make up for poor capture, you need a huge increase in blower force. Think about using a vacuum cleaner. The stronger the blower, the more noise the system will make as you try to suck everything in -- maybe sucking pets and and small children off the floor :>) --- and a very loud roar. Same thing if you put a powerful vent fan in the ceiling. That kind of power utterly defeats your desire for a quiet hood. Third, a huge step-up in blower power means a huge step up in the need for make-up air, and that can and likely will be a major expense. Doesn't matter if your locality does not have codes that require MUA. We're talking the laws of physics here and avoiding backdrafting HVAC, water heaters, fireplaces, etc. Fourth, while a properly sized and designed hood may be larger than you seem to like, it also can be a lot quieter. Consider that there are two sources of noise in hoods: (a) the noise of the fans and their motors and (b) the air rushing through the baffles/filters and into the ducts. With a properly sized hood, the fans can run lower and slower because the hood enables the capture. Slower fans are quieter....See MoreDo I have to spend 4K on a range hood?
Comments (21)s luke: First, if you want to use a silencer, then it goes between the hood and the blower, so an internal blower is out. Use one of many possible roof blowers that can flow the required rate with the pressure loss of the MUA, baffles, and ducts (including effective length increases with turns). Duct pressure loss and length equivalents for turns are on the Internet. (In-line duct blowers are also suitable.) Baffle pressure loss may still dominate if MUA is OK. Put the silencer in the attic if convenient. Note that the diameter is about 4 inches larger than the duct. Joe: There are two separate hood functions to deal with: capture and containment. Capture requires that the hood entry aperture overlap the rising and expanding cooking plumes. This size should be determined for the largest pans that are likely to be used for greasy or odoriferous cooking. Given a resulting hood aperture size, then the issue is containment -- keeping the plume effluent in the hood and ducting to the outside. Every hood is different, and the baffle filters vary, etc., and an exact amount of volumetric air flow (CFM) needed for a given condition has to be determined by experiment or a really complex computational fluid dynamics simulation. (Experiment is less expensive.) It turns out that for most residential cooking where the baffle space occupies most of the hood's aperture area, containment success can be achieved by an air velocity sufficient to entrain the effluent into the air going into the baffle slots. The baffle slot openings are roughly one-half the aperture area, so if the overall air flow is 90 ft/min, then the slot air flow will be 180 ft/min, or roughly the velocity of the fastest plume from a gas fired pan. The link I provided to the Greenheck Guide will lead to a table (page 10, IIRC) with air flow velocities for commercial hoods vs. various cooking processes. The higher velocity cases probably won't apply in a residential setting. But if you want to put a charcoal grill in your kitchen, then they will. The velocity times the hood entry aperture area yields the required volumetric flow rate. This is your goal for actual flow rate. s luke: The duct size is an interesting trade between minimizing duct grease collection (due to impingement in temperate weather and condensation in colder weather) and minimizing pressure loss and noise due to turbulence. Generally, the velocity should be kept between 1000 ft/min and 2000 ft/min. Wrestling 14-inch duct and an 18-inch silencer into place is a lot more effort than 10-inch and 14-inch respectively components. So going larger than minimal is only required in cold climates and/or where no practical blower can handle the required flow rate at the predicted pressure loss. So recursively pick a duct size, calculate velocity, calculate duct pressure loss, check the blower or blowers under consideration for that pressure loss vs. flow rate (on the fan curve or some table). In the process, account for the baffle pressure loss. This also varies with the flow rate and won't be published in general, but it should be safe to allocate 1 inch of water column to the baffles when used at the 90 CFM/sq. ft. hood aperture volumetric flow rate. I am running about 20 feet of 10-inch duct with three turns (about 70 deg, 20 deg, and 45 deg) and a silencer and seem to be achieving more than 1000 CFM from a 1500 CFM blower measured under my Wolf hood (made by Independent ca. 2009). Depending on what combustion appliances are in your house, and whether they have their own MUA or depend on household air, you may for safety reasons need to keep house pressure reduction to -0.03 inches, w.c. Under these conditions, the MUA won't impact the calculation, but will impact one's wallet. Cruder, less expensive passive MUA (even an open window with screen at these flow rates), used where combustion appliance safety is not applicable, could have a good part of a 1-inch pressure loss, and that needs to be accounted for in evaluating the blower. The blower pressure loss is that of the entire loop from outside to kitchen to outside....See MoreUpgrade LED lighting on my Range Hood? I need more light
Comments (2)I would contact Z line for this, they have been quite responsive on another thread that complains about their ranges. My LED strips are in the front and give great light....See MoreUser
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