Duck vs Chickens for Organics
Terri S
7 years ago
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Terri S
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Comments (8)Like beebonnet - I garden with raised box beds - mainly because of "other" critters that also will wreck havoc on my vegetables. Unfortunately, these critters also like chickens - (coons, foxes, coyotes, hawks) - so in order to protect my vegetables, and my chickens, I had to cage my veggies and my chickens - and let the wild critters roam outside. For awhile, I thought the movable chicken tractor idea would be great - putting hens into a tractor-like cage placed over my raised beds. Sounded great, but in actual practice, the contraption just wasn't strong/manuverable enough to keep out all of the other critters that roam around - resulted in 2 dead hens. Also, because veggies grow in strong sunlight, the area was much too warm for chicken habitation. Result - built a strong chain link fence chicken enclosure with a metal rabbit cage for night housing - and a box of dirt for them to dig/dust in. Soooo - now when I turn the compost pile, I save all of the grubs/pill bugs, etc., and serve them - ala-cart. Not to mention refreshing their area with clean straw, etc. (what I don't do for those 2 eggs and some fertilizer they give in return). Just my 2 c's. Bejay...See Moreducks mating with chickens???
Comments (35)Last spring I bought two Campbell Khaki ducklings and put them in with my small flock of laying hens of several different breeds. They proved to be a pair and it was cute to watch their courtship and mating as they grew up. During the winter, an owl invaded the pen and killed the hen duck. At first the drake grieved so hard he would barely eat, but as this spring came on, his natural instincts reasserted themselves. He began to go after the hens, preferring the dark-colored ones that most resembled his mate. And he has been getting them, too! Exactly the same way he did his wife, except that they would not get into the small tub of water provided for him. I have photos to prove this. The only way they can escape him is by going into the coop where he will not follow. So far, no harm has been done that I can see, but I am wondering whether it's time to put this drake into the oven. For various reasons I don't wish to obtain more ducks....See MoreWhat is easier to raise? Chickens or ducks?
Comments (2)There's some federal lawstuff going on with Muscovy you need to be aware of if you're going to get into raising them for profit. The government outlawed raising Muscovy without realizing how many domestic Muscovy breeders there really are. It sounds like it will work out but for right now, it's actually illegal to have Muscovy in captivity, as crazy as that sounds. This is brand new, like just a few months ago. Anyway, thought you should know. I agree, raising ducks would be far more profitable per pound, especially free ranged on pasture, since they are such good bug eaters. The food is more expensive (higher protein) and I think the little chicks are a little harder to raise, messier and require more bedding. But, with the right set-up and market, the profit margin should be there. There is not much profit margin in chickens. They eat a lot more than you can make, even free-ranged, jumbo-cross organic meat butchered at 6-8 weed. Feed cost is really high right now, too. The best profit margin I've ever had in poultry, crazy as it sounds, was when I sold peafowl and guinea chicks. Free ranged the adults, collected and incubated eggs and sold tons of chicks during the spring and summer. They were very popular where I used to live, in SW OK, for some reason. I'm sure ducklings would have done well too, and when I move back to the country, I plan to add some duck varieties to my little hatchery plan....See MorePermaculture vs. Organics
Comments (31)I think here it was said most of what there is to say about the subject. i also want to add that in PC there are not really specific rules, it´s a process in wich you try to work the best with what you have and in time you plan to achieve your vision, and your vision has everything to do with your ethics and the Pc principles. It can be that people in PC don´t understand the whole implications of the principles, but if you understand them fully there is no way you can use inorganic elements or pesticides and such, but there is the problem that not always you can have the ideal picture going on... you are moving towards it. There is an other problem, as PC is a free movement, maybe it´s not well tought by the facilitators, or maybe there is no follow up so one person can do what ever he or she wants... it´s about your personal responsability and commitment to your own life, to human beings, to the earth. Although i haven´t met a Permi that isn´t right on the path, there most be a lot, but i haven´t seen them. I had this same question about Pc and organics, and i found no awnser for a long time, some permis would be offended or would look down to me because they thought i didn´t got a thing about PC, and after all, it IS a way of life, and a philosofy. I´m no expert, but i have the philosofy in my bones since childhood, i´m walking... Something more specific i can say is that in my wondering i did a lot of research and what i found is the following: Organic Farming promotes the use of natural fertilisers, making use of the natural carbon cycle so that waste from plants becomes the food (fertiliser) of another. In organic farming however, as with ALL farming, minerals are being lost from the farm everytime a truck load of produce is carted to market. Permaculture goes one step further. Permaculture brings the people's wastes back into the cycle, it reduces the energy wasted in transporting the foods by producing the foods where the people are, in permaculture the people contribute in their daily life toward the production of their food and other needs. The Permaculture garden is more than an organic garden. · It is also responsible for its waste, it aims not to pollute the surrounding environment i.e. with either excess nitrogen into the water systems or weed seed into any natural systems. · It uses design to minimise the gardeners chores and energy input. Repeatative, hard work is the joy of few permaculturalists. · It aims to imitate nature. Visually this is the most noticeable difference between organic gardening and permaculture. In permaculture gardens (home systems is the more wholistic term) there is rarely bare soil, the conservation of soil and water is a high priority. There is a more complex use of space. Plants are allowed to set seed, are interplanted for pest control. You will be unlikely to see plants in rows · The permaculture system aims to harvest and maximise water, sun and other natural energies (e.g. wind, dust, leaves, bird droppings) · The permaculture system aims to provide nutritious food and habitat for people AND native animals and birds. In a true permaculture design minerals are not lost because they are cycled, same goes for organic gardening however, bags of organic resources may need to be purchased. In a permaculture design the cycle is hopefully, closed. we create the requirements of the system, setting one element near another so that natural forces such as gravity and wind etc can transport the waste of one element into the next element as a needed resource. We go one step more than organic really because we try to let nature determine the shape of the garden. The different use of energy is an important point....See MoreTerri S
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