Kassebohmer trash pullout with Blum servo drive

7 years ago

Kassebohmer sells a nice trash pullout http://www.cleverstorage.com/wastebin/

However, it does not come with the tap to open feature. Hafele which is one of the redistributors of Hafele sells a drive unit made by grass which they claim can be used as an electronic auto open kit:

https://www.hafele.com/us/en/product/electronic-waste-bin-auto-open-kit-for-kesseboehmer-pull-out-units/55300430

But it is exceedingly hard (and very expensive) to buy Hafele products as a home owner. I am wondering if anyone has success in using the Blum Servo drive as an electronic opener with the Kassebohmer. It seems like it should work in principle, but I want to check if anybody has had success.

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vishketan
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7 years ago

@Lisa: If you see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txYvwGchilc it gives an idea of how the Hafele sensomatic opener works. It pushes on the horizontal rail at the back of the garbage insert.

@AvatarWait: Indeed it seems like the Ikea version is more or less identical to the one that Blum sells https://www.amazon.com/handyct-Servo-Drive-Waste-Recycle-Set/dp/B0083J9D7Q Thanks for the pointer.

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User
7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago
By chance, did you check Kitchensource.com? I called them to find something by John Boos that is normally not carried retail. They were able to do so. Didn't get in the end though.
vishketan
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7 years ago
I can find the drive unit from Hafele at a couple of places but it costs around 400+ dollars while the Blum unit can be had for around 180 - 250 dollars. The basic idea of both units seems to be the same so that is why I was curious if I could avoid paying the Hafele premium.
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Lisa
7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago
Do you know for sure that the Hafele would work with your garbage insert? It seems like you need a flat surface at the back to push against, and I don't see one in the pictures of that insert you are considering.

We have the Utrusta push opener from Ikea which I believe is pretty similar to the Blum (and cheaper). But we also have an Ikea drawer which has a solid back that the push opener pushes on when activated.

I think the main thing to figure out is where the little push lever will sit against your garbage insert and if it will have anything to push out.
AvatarWalt
7 years ago
If you zoom in on the photo on the Ikea website, it actually says Blum on the right side of the base. We have the non-Ikea Blum (as far as I know) and custom cabinets, but, like Lisa, the drawer has a solid back to push against.
Lisa
7 years ago
In that video it looks like the push mechanism part was removed from the mounting part that would normally be attached to the bottom of the cabinet. Then it was mounted in the perfect spot so it hits the rail.

I'm not sure if you could separate those two pieces on the Blum pushers. I can't really inspect ours at the moment, but I will see if I can remember to look at it later. My feeling from remembering when we installed it is that it is one solid item.

I think the only way to make it work with your insert is if you can make sure you can mount it vertically where you need it. Maybe you do need the more expensive Haefle so you can separate the mounting from the pusher.

Another alternative might be to somehow attach a thin sheet of metal or something solid to the back of the garbage insert so the pusher has something to push against.

Unfortunately these pushers and inserts are not so cheap that you can just buy it and try to make it work.

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