I have Florentina coming so I need Ann Arbor or trellis. I'm putting in a new raised bed so with the Florentina will be out of rosenheim and rock and roll that will be one new bed. Another new bed I have ordered Olivia Rose Austin Claire Austin and a Beverly and Savannah and elegant Fairy Tail. Those are ordered but I also would like Twilight Zone and munstead wood oh and I also ordered I can't think of the name of it Dawn Sunrise I don't know something from Palatine that's a orange and yellow looks awfully pretty. So I do have my work cut out for me .But isnt it fun

Love your idea for this thread Desertgarden.

My goal was begun two years ago and should be largely finished this coming season. I really needed a less work intensive garden. As I have gotten older it was painfully easy to see I wasn't able to keep up with things. The most labor intensive plants just had to go. The large grasses that I loved and most of my daylilies ect. Filled in with very disease resistant roses from Kordes, Easy Elegance, a few Austins and a few others. The final stage which I dread is giving up gardening in the extra lot. A lot of too large for my yard roses out there. I would miss having them.

My must have roses for this year are Desdemona, The Ancient Mariner, Princess Ann Crazy Love and Foxy Lady.

My garden is a multi purpose garden for me. Each rose has it's own special purpose. I enjoy giving bouquets. So, all of my roses MUST have a stem long enough to cut with foliage and yet when I cut, I don't hurt my bush. If the bloom doesn't have a lot of fragrance, it better be one of those "WOW!!" blooms. It has taken me a while to find OGR's that have a decent vase life. And I enjoy my mini's as much as I enjoy my HT's. I'm learning the growth habits of several David Austin roses that meet my stem and bloom requirements. All of that being said, here are my "must have" roses to finish out my garden to the limit I've put on myself.

Dublin (2)---HT. (I've been wanting this rose for years)

Randy Scott (1)---This will make #4. Like I said, I like bouquets of roses, especially of the same variety.

Marlon's Day(1)---Same as above.

Munstead Wood(1)---I like Munstead Wood. This will make #2.

The Prince(2)---I grew this rose in FL. on fortuniana root stock. For me, a must have.

Magic Show (1)--- (miniature) I've seen this rose several times and I like the bloom, stem and Foliage.

ALSO------Two weekends in the spring and two weekends during the fall, I take what blooms I have in my garden to local rose shows. I have always been competitive in almost everything I do. This way I can "compete" against other rose growers that enjoy this part of our rose hobby.

I just received two of my "must have" roses yesterday. Evelyn and Lady Ashe. Fragrancenutter's pictures of her Evelyn and Sonia Rykiel made them "must haves." I still need SR. I'm glad to have gotten Evelyn and Lady Ashe. Lisa

Although I garden in the North, zone 5/6, I am blessed with a fruit cellar which permits me to purchase container grown roses any time of the year. Those that are purchased from late fall until spring are put into 'cold storage,' in the fruit cellar until planting time outside.

The advantage to this system is that I can purchase container grown roses I want online as soon as they are available from the nurseries, at any time of the year. An actively growing rose I receive during the winter just stops growing in the fruit cellar, kept at between 34-40 degrees F., and just sits there suspended in growth until spring.

I avoid having to order early before they are sold out and hope they come at planting time, a hectic, error ridden time for most online nurseries. Of course, purchasing bare root roses are not compatible with my fruit cellar storage system.

I already have purchased all my new roses for next year. Miranda Lambert went into the ground in early October. Any day now she will get a generous amount of protection for the winter along with the other roses needing same. Except for two liners from Heirloom Roses, which are due in very soon, all the rest are presently in the fruit cellar.

New roses for 2017 are:

1 Madame Issac Periere

1 Scepter'd Isle

1 Miranda Lambert

1 Firefighter

2 Beverly (already have 1)

1 Midnight Blue

1 Apricot Candy

1 Bolero

1 Flawless

6 more Sweet Arlene (have 1 already...I like her, a lot)

2 Lavender Crystal

1 Cafe' Ole'

Something to keep an old man busy.

Nice list Moses! I tried to get Laveder Crystal from Burlington a few weeks ago, but she's out until spring. I looked for Cafe Ole' a while back and it was also out. I kinda forgot about it until now. I are love my Bolero. I'm sure you will too.

i forgot, the one I really must have and can't find is Annie Laurie McDowell. I'm so surprised Burlington isn't carrying it anymore:( Lisa

Kristine- I saw the most beautiful images of Munstead Wood on G.F. and people raved about its performance. I must admit that after purchasing M.W., within a season, the hype was understood. I now have 3. If you like the deep burgundy colors, it is a must have. The petals often look like they are edged in velvet.

Patty- I surely do not envy having the chore of removing large mature grasses. We had them at our last home and decided to streamline the entry area by removing them. I witnessed the chore that exists removing those plants. Nice list.

Ken- Nice rose list.. would love to see more images of your roses.

Lisa- I received my Sonia Rykiel from R.U. earlier this year. It was a healthy plant upon arrival, with a beautiful bloom, and it has gone downhill from there. I think it needs a home outside of the pot it has been in for months. Hope you get one. Evelyn has been on my list for three years, and I bought Abraham Darby instead; a plant I swore would never have a place in my garden again.... go figure. Evelyn is a beauty!!!! Hopefully someone will have ALM soon... it is a great rose that should be widely available.

Moses- A fruit cellar... nice!!!! Great selection of roses too!!

Thank you Desertgarden for the review of Munstead Wood

Desertgarden

Does your Munstead wood get pink in full sun ?

Below are images showing Munstead Wood's appearance (full sun), and during the Summer.

Desertgarden

Thanks ! it looks dark pink/fuschia ? I just planted Twilight Zone last month and that is how it looks like in my FL sun . I wanted the dark purple color.

Dear Lisa Adams,

Thanks for your response on my new roses.

Heirloom roses has Lavender Crystal right now but Cafe' Ole' is out of stock now. Long Ago Roses may have Annie Laurie McDowell. They do not ship to CA, but do ship to PA where I live.

If there are no illegalities involved you could have Long Ago Roses ship ALMcD to me and I will be glad to check it for any watering it may need, then send it on to you. I think it will take the trip very well in spite of being in transit longer than usual, because of the cold weather at this end at this time of year.

I'll let you do the verification of the information I provided which I believe is correct, and let me know if you want me to follow through for you as I offered to do.

There is a question of the availability ALMcD from Long Ago Roses. Please send them an inquiry at:

roses@longagoroses.com

I'm going to finish my brick walks and search out drought tolerant bulbs. Next year I'm going to finish that retaining wall and try to keep the pomegranate from shading the roses too much. It's going to take willpower.......especially when the red fruits look so pretty...but I am resolved.

That is so nice of you Moses! Thank you! I have a feeling there are legalities involved here. The reason Long ago Roses doesn't ship to CA is due to the need for special permits. I will do some googling to see if it is feasible. I think at the very least, it would need to be bare rooted. California won't allow the soil to come in unless the nursery has special permits and follows a certain protocol. I will check it out, and I am most impressed by your willingness to help. Thank you! Lisa

My goals for 2017 are to change my very wide mixed borders into double borders, each with a back border of roses and a front border of perennials. I will be removing my poorly performing plants. In roses, that will be Guy de Maupassant, First Crush, Ann's Beautiful Daughter, possibly Falstaff and the 7 Bolero's that occasionally look and smell fabulous, but usually look terrible. I wish I could find a white cupped rose that would do well in my climate! I've just removed the two ancient Knockouts that came with the house, and moved Madame Isaac Pereire into that prime spot. I expect to be planting 3 more Munsteads, since it does so well (although vying for 2 of those spots would be Ascot), 2 more Abe's, maybe a Huntington rose and maybe a Scepter'd Isle.

My Munstead turns fuchsia in the heat as well.

Lynn, I hope Abe does well for you. Although it has its issues, mine does better than my Evelyn's which are essentially one bloomers so far, often with malformed flowers and not much fragrance in their third year. Well watered, Abe has done much better in production and fragrance in my garden.

Dear Lisa,

Long Ago Roses does not ship west of the Rockies: Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Oregon, Nevada, Utah, and Washington. It may be due to cost, distance, and time in transit rather than troublesome permits. If California's restrictions are due to soil borne pathogens, I could easily remove the soil and disinfect the then bare root rose. If we need a permit for just one+ rose, and the cost is reasonable that will be doable.

Plan B, I could purchase one for me, pot grow it next year, and send you cuttings for you to root in July. I suppose that is legal to do.

I do not think ALMcD is winter hardy here. That would present no more problem for me than some of my HTs that must be heavily protected for winter, but a climber, which is what ALMcD grows to be, would mean dying down severely every winter. My Westerlands died to the ground a couple years ago, and it was a milder winter that year!

I know how it is when you really want a special rose and it's just out of reach. Where there's a will, there's a way. ALMcD will come your way, if not by me by some other means.

Dear Noseometer,

Earth Angel may be a good cupped white rose for you to consider, if you haven't yet. Mine, although only first year in the garden, is very impressive. No BS, extreme vigor, potently fragrant blooms, VERY cupped (some balling up, though), likes to bloom, but flowers are not large, on the small side of medium, 3 1/2" maximum. I think Earth Angel will be 4' X 4' easily.

Then there's the white HT Sugar Moon. Very tall 6+' and narrow, is very easy for SM to reach in no time. The extremely fragrant flowers, although not cupped, are heavily petaled with a camelia like form. The full open bloom has lovely well organized center petals with a bright orange boss. It is beautiful in all stages of bloom, right to petal drop. This is a minority trait in HTs.

No must haves this year because my goal is to downsize things. My health had really slowed me down now and I just can't keep up with things any more. So something has to give. I don't think I'll be replacing any winter losses for a while so the number will drop down to something more manageable. I'd like to get all but a few of the remaining pots planted out in the beds. Lifting the pots in and out of storage has become harder and harder to do but in the ground I don't do any winterizing so they're much easier to care for. Getting old ain't no fun!

Snowbird could also be a Bolero replacement. It remains fairly compact and is very fragrant too.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.262345

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.159360

Thanks Moses! I think my big hesitation with Earth Angel is that First Crush has done so poorly for me, and it is also a Kordes rose. Still might be worth a try though since every rose is different. HMF comments are that it is not great in the heat. Sugar Moon looked great in the display garden, and got my sister's vote for favorite fragrance, but I think it is too big/tall for the spot. Good ideas though. Thanks, I may just have to try one or a few and find out.

Lynn, thanks for the suggestion of Snowbird. Funny, but I was just thinking of that one. I'm not sure I like the flower form, but all comments are that it is a great rose and photos never do the real thing justice.

I've been thinking of Claire Austin, but comments are that it opens yellow before turning white (yech), and Windermere (photos show that it is not a particularly graceful rose, and comments are that it is not very tolerant of heat). Still, people seem to like them well enough. Then there's Moondance (too tall), Iceberg (yellow leaves that I can't seem to correct), White Licorice (too yellow), Pure Perfume (good in another part of the garden, but flower form not what I like), Constellation (too yellow), Fabulous! (boring flower form and not much fragrance). Maybe I'm just too picky. Maybe I'll have to redesign that part of the garden.

Understandable Noseometer. Snowbird's form is very different from Bolero's. It has an "old fashioned" bloom form with less than 60 petals, versus the petal packed " old fashioned" blooms of Bolero. It does make a tidy, heat tolerant rose bush that is shorter in stature. The fragrance is outstanding!! Claire Austin was on my list too but removed for the exact reason and sentiment you expressed.

noseometer, have you considered Summer memories? It starts off the palest apricot in the centre at times, though, which may put you off, but it is wonderfully healthy and floriferous for me.

It does get pretty large, though. Mine's about 5' high by 10' wide after 3 years.

Lynn, I wish I had roses on a 'must have' list. Well I do, in my imagination, but room, energy and mobility don't permit. If I could, I'd have Westerland, Amber Flower Carpet and Rugspin. Well, I might just think about it!

Like seil and Patty W., I'm making things easier for myself. I'll be happy if I can just keep up with what needs doing.

Trish

I don't know if you're looking for a hybrid tea rose but Pope John Paul II is pure white with a wonderful fragrance and mine only got to be about 4 feet tall. With pruning it could be much shorter. Unfortunately I moved into a home that had an existing Pope John Paul II and it was very diseased so that I had to remove it but I may try another one

I found myself buying Evelyn (Diane inspired) and Abe Darby from Heirloom, and Etoile de Lyon and Arcadia Louisiana Tea from rosepetals. I'm also considering a couple from ARE like another Bubble Bath and second Cramoisi Superieur, but can't order from them except by phone, for Oregon, during business hours. I also am considering a couple from DA like Olivia Rose Austin or Huntington Rose. I had thought I'd give it a year or so to evaluate overall and assess, but I guess not.

Lynn, Why the Abe Darby never again then there you go? This will be my first.

Sheila, how many roses do you have?

I am also getting an Olivia Rose, whoo hoo

what about Polar Express, it's Kordes but in their sunbelt collection so supposedly heat tolerant

http://newflora.com/product/polar-express-rose/

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.43668.1&tab=1

I have added two new raised beds and partly filled them this fall with roses from KandM Roses: One bed has a combination of Moonstone and PJPII; The other is partially filled with 2 new Affirm and one Black Magic. I plan to add 2 Pretty Lady roses in the Spring. I have also gone to town with climbers. I just planted several climbers this fall including: Zepherine Drouhin, Peggy Martin, Don Juan, and even Dr. Huey. I discovered Dr. Huey when one of my hybrid teas reverted before I realized it. While Dr. Huey only blooms once, I really think the blooms are pretty and I had a place on an old fence where I could put him rather than throw him away. Anyone else still grow this rose? I have plans for spring as well. I have ordered two Eden climbers for a new trellis that I have one the side of my outdoor deck, and have ordered several Alnwick roses for a small hedge. I have also ordered a Graham Thomas, a Munstead Wood, a Chicago Peace, 2 Crescendos and a Randy Scott, all for the spring. I am soooo looking forward to getting them all planted. OH! and my number ONE goal is to be on the lookout for those AWFUL Chili Thrips that invaded my garden this fall and destroyed my fall bloom. Who would have ever thought that they would have made there way as far north as Birmingham, Alabama, but they did! OH how I HATE them. That is about it! Looking forward to hearing what others are doing! Happy Dreaming, Elizabeth

Approximately 12- 13 or so years ago, I grew Abraham Darby, JtO, Golden Celebration, Crown Princess Margareta, Sharifa Asma and Heritage. Abraham Darby was so dreadful, that I vehemently pronounced " it would never have a place in my garden". Well, good old Abe will be here in January, Sheila. Still learning lessons about using that "never"....

Desertgarden - I hope Abe does well for you this time around. That is a lot of work going on in your garden but sounds exciting!

Most roses on my must have list have good disease resistance such as Florentina (received this fall) and Molineux and Boscobel (spring). My biggest chore this spring will be installing drip irrigation in the garden and in my deck - way too many hours spent hand watering this year.

Noseometer - I'm sorry Bolero isn't working out in your climate. Claire Austin is not a perfect rose but has some great attributes such a superb disease resistance, wonderful fragrance, and good rebloom. It's not the most graceful looking plant - dense but grows lean and tall - but does okay w/ pruning a couple of times during summer. It does not make a good cut flower, although in cool weather I can sometimes get 2-3 days out of a cut bloom). Yellow? - Maybe the slightest bit and a bit more so in the heat.

One white I'll be trying this spring is Desdemona. Marlorena has posted some beautiful pics of this one. Here's one from the web that made me want to try it:

Lynn, How was Abe dreadful? Health? Bush? Blooms?

Kristine, I am not sure. Upwards of 100 I figure. I've got to peter out on the ordering and weed more. I'll have to count and report later, maybe.

Sheila -

Bush.. what bush???... I wished. A.D. barely grew, produced one flower, and burned to a crisp during May. It was sad....

At that point, I had only gardened in my native home of Coastal Southern Calif., and while roses had been part of my previous garden, I had never grown them to the extent that I was attempting to, in this desert. Hoping that the experience I have acquired gardening here will make a difference this time around....

That makes it so much clearer. I was envisioning a monster that was too large. I still have no idea what some plants will do, so this helps. I'm not sure why my two Hollywood Junipers look wimpy and too yellowish. I guess it may be too much water. The Italian cypress look great here. I have a started tiny Reve d' Or rose from ARE ten months ago I thought was in an iffy spot and it has exploded with healthy growth. OTOH a Star of the Republic sat there for the ten months with a few blooms but the plant is just sitting there. I think we all have mysterious winners and losers. Thank you.

So sorry for the lack of specificity, Sheila

On multiple threads, I have communicated my opinion/assessment regarding A.D in "my garden". I know A.D. performs well for so many, and try to avoid bashing a rose when I think my opinion is kindof outside of the norm. Its poor performance is likely a direct result of my growing conditions.

I suspect that A.D. will be a beautiful addition to your garden.

Wow, that Desdemona really is beautiful. Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. Sorry Lynn, for the semi- hijack on your thread. To get back on track, if that is what Desdemona looks like, it will be a must-have and something else will get the heave-ho. I've already ordered Earth Angel.

Oh, no problem, Noseometer...it is all roses!! In fact, Desdemona caught my attention a while back and slipped out of my mind. This time it will go on my research list... So thank you both.

dizzylizzy, I have a Dr Huey (was Westerland). Like you, I was surprised how pretty the blooms are, and it's sooooo healthy - a rarity in my garden, so it's staying for now.

Dave, Desdemona sure is a beauty.

Lynn, your improvements sound lovely. I hope you’ll share
pictures as things are installed. You’re really digging your whites, huh? Mary
Washington? Four Boleros? Lol

I’ve
also gone back to my “drawing board” now that winter’s here. Since the
landscape redesign at my place won’t occur before the beginning of next growing
season, I’ve been thinking about what to do. I currently have a temporary
fenced-in area with potted roses.

I have a 10 x 20 ft. shade cover for those
scorching Arizona summer afternoons – even though I’m in the high desert, it
still boils here. My current plan is to
enlarge the fenced-in area to include a second 10 x 20 shade cover to provide
more room to move around and protect from the late afternoon sun. I also want to create a “climbing wall”
likely made up of several posts and wire fencing for my “baby” climbers. Since
most of my climbers are still young I think I can get away with them in pots
tied up against this wall for the next year. Hopefully.

I’d
really like to try a fortuniana root stock bush to see if production can come
close to Fragrancenutter’s, but I’m not sure how well it would do in a pot or
if it would hold up in my climate (hot, dry summers, but it does occasionally
freeze here).

One
of the first things I’ve been thinking is to limit new roses coming in to
approximately five or so (oh, this sounds so responsible, doesn’t it? But
likely not happening, as I just ordered four today from HR for delivery next March –
Quietness, Crown Princess Margareta, Princess Alexandra of Kent and Heart O’Gold).
Mainly, I’d like to focus on the roses I have and look forward to them maturing
into their second and third years. Like Ken, I really enjoy cutting roses for
bouquets for my home and to give as gifts. I suppose that’ll partly change
after the landscape project is planned and completed, but for now I have a
“cutting garden.”

Natalie

Your gardening space seems quite lovely towandaz. I like the manner in which you have neatly integrated roses in pots, stones and other items into your current setting. Last year, when this home was completed, and it was moving time, I brought 60 roses from our previous residence with us. My yard was a blank slate. All of those roses in pots looked like.. well.. a mess is the best way to describe it. I wish it would have been neat and presentable like yours, because the stress associated with deciding upon a garden design would have lessened.

I actually have only few white roses (relatively)... I think there are 8-10 varieties of white roses in my garden. Mme. Joseph Schwartz, Iceberg, White Pet, Marie Pavie and Bolero are the only white roses that have been repeated. I added them sparingly as a buffer for all of the pink, purple, deep red, lavender or they work to tone down the crayola crayon box sections of the garden.

Princess Alexandria of Kent can have interesting looking blooms... pretty...but...

These were both on the bush during October. I would not have placed it so close to my lavender/mauve bed had I known there would be salmon colored blooms.

Reading the GW rose threads.. good luck with your limit:)

I am really enjoying hearing all the new plans for the upcoming season ! I am already so excited to see what happens next year !

I have some roses on order that I am excited to try . I am thinking of keeping them in pots for the season. Usually I plant right away in the ground but I think I'd like some patio roses . My big plans are to finish the beds around my pergola . 2 seasons ago I had them going so nicely but I was pregnant and had to use a mowing company and things got hit and mowed down and then died from neglect . I just couldn't be in the heat without being sick and most of them died . So now I'm starting over . My other bed project is a bird feeding garden . I've had feeders on shepherd hooks by a window and I need to create a garden there for them . I'm very excited about that , my daughter loves to see the birds out the windows !

On a boring note I will be having lots of junk trees and brush removed but will be planting wildflowers in its place ! It will open up our lake view and still give wildlife lots of benefits.