Choosing a wild Sugar Maple
Daniel Central IN, Zone 6a
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Comments (10)We have a Commemoration and a Fall Fiesta. Of the two Commemoration is slower growing than the FF in both caliper and size. It does grow faster than species, but more like 15-18"/ good year vs 12"/good year for the species. The leaves are smaller but intensely dense green and thicker when mature, but the classic Sugar Maple leaf shape. Caliper is also faster than species. However, our FF has caught up and pasted the Comm. on both caliper and size. It grow 18-22"/good year. The Comm has been more rounded in shape, and the FF more upright oval. However the FF is spreading more now, but then it has lost it's terminal bud the last couple years, and that probable has allot to do with it. Where the Comm. wins between the two, is intense orange to orange-red color. Just gorgeous. It also begins early just like the literature says, and is long lasting just like the literature says. The FF is more variable from year to year, some years orange, other red with some orange, and others yellow orange. Very nice itself, but not as reliable IMHO. Where is loses to Comm. IMHO is that it's color display is much much shorter for us. That may or may not be important to you. I have also seen some very nicely colored very orange Legacy. But to me, they are more of a "flat" orange, while to me Comm is more of a "vivid" orange.Could just be the conditions contributing to that. Also I believe Legacy is later to color. Other cultivars that I have seen that I like that would be suitable in your Z7 are John Pair and Autumn Splendor which are the 'Caddo" ecotype, and therefore much more heat/drought resistant. They are also smaller trees than the typical species. Both are real lookers in their own right, but I have no personal experience with their growth. Supposedly AS is faster growing of the two. Lastly, I have also seen what I believe are Bon Fire. They are kind of a hot pink red in fall, and reportedly fastest growing Sugar Maple, performing well in warmer climates. You might look at Moon's Nursery (IIRC) that have some great pics online. IIRC they are in your general area, so that would seem a good place to start. Arktrees...See MoreThought Sugar Maple was dead
Comments (1)Sugar maples were the last trees to leaf out in my yard this spring, despite a very mild winter. Sounds normal to me, particularly if your is showing some green in the buds. Try scratching the bark on some small branches; if you see green, it is probably alive....See MoreFast-growing Sugar Maple
Comments (15)Notes, I don't know where you are located, but for true Sugar Maples, I have done research on a couple of cultivars that I have seen locally as I was looking for faster growing sugar maples. I found a few things of interest in the patent for each cultivar. From the patents I found that Green Mountain, Legacy, Fall Fiesta (Bailsta), and Commemoration all can be expected to grow faster than the species. From what I can summarize slowest to fastest is as follows. Standard SpeciesThe Commemoration has about the most intense green coloration I have seen in Sugar Maple, and the leaves are exceptionally thick. It grew less than 12" this year, but is a larger tree that was planted late spring last years, and suffered some leaf scorch during the early peak heat (~100F) of summer last year, and did not color much last fall as I expected having leaf damage, and a new transplant. However this year the trunk caliper has increased remarkable (it is know for this), and the tree looks great apart from SOME mild Japanese Beetle damage. The patent application stated that trees were 35' after 10 years for the patent holder. It also stated fall color was yellow to bright orange (I have seen this stated from a particular grower elsewhere that had a photo), and this has been backed up by photos that I have been able to find. The color I did see last year, was a yellow, and bright orange. I don't remember the original seed source off the top of my head. I'll look it up again in the patent when I have time. For Fall Fiesta (Bailsta), our tree grew 10"-18" this spring. It is a smaller tree that was planted last fall and had better time of it all the way around. It is not a dark green, nor are the leaves as thick, though they are thicker than the species. The leaves also are exactly the classic sugar maple shape, though it is still clearing a sugar maple. The tree was in fall color when we bought it last year, and was dominated by orange to orange-red, and IMHO very nice. However note that last fall was a "red year", in that there seemed to be far more red than usually, with some oaks being by far the reddest I have ever seen, and rivaling locally even sugar, red sunset, autumn blaze/fantasy maple (extremely rare here). To date it has show no stress from summer weather, and I could not be more happy with it. It seems to be less of a beetle lunch as well. The patent application stated the parent tree was 25' at 10 years of age, and gave comparisons of percent of trees at a caliper at a particular age, in comparison to the species type, and green mountain, to which it was much superior to both. This cultivar also originates from Minnesota seed source, and so probable best planted from my location northward. I do not have first hand experience with Legacy or Green Mountain, so can not give you particulars. Both are planted locally, with Green Mountain seeming being the most common locally of the four mentioned above, and does seem to do very well here, and has pretty consistent fall color locally. Both are beautiful trees that I highly recommend in a suitable climate, which I am located at the north edge of the southern sugar maple, and southwest edge of the species sugar maple (there are hills covered with these trees nearby and are extremely impressive in fall). Both had growth spurts where short grew up to 1"/day for a few days. Also the Fall Fiesta started growing about 2 weeks later, though this may change with acclimation to the local climate. If you are warmer and/or drier than my location, then Legacy or one of the other mentioned would probable be a better choice. For comparison sake, my local climate avers 46" rain annually, spread throughout the year. Average max high of 90-91 for about 4 weeks a year, with average highs in the 40's for about twice that length a year. However you might consider the Shantung Maple. It reportedly turns mostly yellow in fall, grows fast, strong wooded, climate/soil tolerant (would grow most anywhere a Sugar Maple would), but is not as large a tree. Or perhaps you would prefer natives. Hope this is some use to you. Arktrees...See Moreidentifying sugar maple
Comments (17)Yes I would say you have room. Green Mountain is very nice, and there are lots of them around my area. They have been around as a cultivar since the 60's if I remember correctly. Tired and true, and has very nice color in my area. Last year it came down to between a "Green Mountain" and a "Fall Fiesta". The "Fall Fiesta" won because it's colors were a little brighter, and it grows faster according to the patent application. Bailey's does produce "Green Mountain" (but they are hardly the only ones), along with "Flax Mill", "Fall Fiesta", "Commemoration", and the standard species. Another very large producer is Schmidt & Son Co. Nursery is another large producer you may see. Not to say that these are the only ones to trust. For my opinion if they are confident enough to put the companies tag on it, then I would think you would be fine. Our Commemoration came from Lowe's. It had a good price, was very healthy, fit the description of "Commemoration" and had the Schmidt tag attached. So look at places you don't expect because you never know what you will find. Also be sure to look up planting instructions for your soil type. I have clay, and plant differently because of it. Lastly, here are a couple web address for you to look at. http://www.baileynurseries.com/pressrelease/2270 http://bailey.virtual-services.net/presslib/info/0047 (click on the pictures) http://bailey.virtual-services.net/presslib/info/0048 (click on the pictures) http://bailey.virtual-services.net/presslib/browse/trees/botanical/3 (more pictures)...See Morewisconsitom
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