Northern growers: anything still going? Overwintering plans?
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Peter (6b SE NY)
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Any upper northern Christmas tree growers, esp balsam growers,her
Comments (9)"Hello again," to anyone and maybe especially maybe to akamainegrower, if you happen still tobe around this forum... Due partly to my having as yet not been able to get much of any reply to somewhat extensive inquiry sent the past year or so to two (I think--having various inquiries and "feelers" out there to various places, it's a little hard to keep exact track) heavily involved in blueberry research , I've elected for now to try contacting that other type of place you mention: Christmas Tree Growers' Association (s). But, so far , a few weeks later, no response. Of course, the timing isn't necessarily the greatest, being around tree selling time, as well as apt to be time already of some freezing already of the ground. That University of Maine department which you mention, also may be of interest. At the same time, maybe "if" I could , before contacting them, run a test myself to , hopefully, get some sort of actual proof begun, of one or more of my specimens actually being immune-maybe that might help make my inquiry to them or to whomever, more intriguing? Sure seems like it couldn't hurt; and in these days of easy photography and easy communicating, maybe I could at least visually document my efforts doing such actual test. But , besides that the bushes involved are somewhat "well out" in the woods...under a foot of snow and ice I guess, around now...I still will have to somehow come up with a few young fir seedlings or young plants that have the disease (to use as source of disease spores to expose the blueberry bushes to...inside on my big plant-growing window sill, I guess). Maybe --by some longshot chance--someone here would happen to know of and have access for digging up ,of a few young "infected" firs trees (any kind of firs, although if it'd be wild firs rather than tree plantation ones, seems to me it'd most likely end up being "balsam" firs). Young or seedling firs "infected" with this fir-blueberry rust, that is...(the Pucciniastrum goeppertianum one...the one that causes broomlike growths on blueberry plants, and I guess as to on the firs, causes just small yellowish or whitish spore capsule happening on some of the needles . I maybe should stress, in case I haven't mentioned it before, about the "other" kind of witches broom happening with fir trees: the "other" kind does make broomlike growth happening on the firs themselves...but that's a totally separate disease, if/when "that happens". The only ones I'd be interested in are young or seedling firs happening to have gotten the first type of "witches broom " disease, the one wherein it's only the blueberry bushes that get the brooms, with the firs , again, just getting some kind of small-to-tiny tag growths on their needles. I do think that likely as not, patches or areas of firs of most any kind , happening to be very near (especially within maybe 50 to 100 feet[ of a bunch of wild highbush blueberry bushes or a patch of lowbush blueberries, IS by my guess, at least pretty likely to be involved with the blueberries with infection of this disease happening between them. Given these two types of plants growing nearby one another, the infection of this disease that I see as likely, might be easiest to spot the likelihood of, by checking whether the blueberry bushes have any if the broomlike growths showing. There would be pictures readily available (I think I'll also see if I can get hold of some images and post links here, assuming that's allowed and that I can figure out the procedure) to check further what to look for, online such as at Google Images, Yahoo Images, etc. (searching for , probably: witches broom, blueberry. or: fir blueberry rust). Which, especially as to possibly making available to me, a few of these prospective "infected" young firs--would be "going some", I realize. Therefore, here's what I think (hoping there's no proscription here "against" it) I think I can offer (if anybody's not already been too bored , here, to read this far): If anyone can find and have or get access (for digging) such an instance of little fir trees and blueberry bushes growing together, or adjacent, such that it's resulted in the occurrence of this disease, and would be willing to try to dig three or so of the infected firs for my use: than, while it'd be apt to need to be "first come, first served " and maybe only one deal available: I believe can try to make it worth your while, monetarily (make an offer?) Pictures "first," please...of the plants on the site, showing infection (typically very obvious when it happens) of some of the blueberries on the site, with the broom-like growths. Also, if possible, pics of the evidence of the disease on the little firs that would be dug. Maybe send COD, for no risk? or otherwise, putting them for me on Ebay? I'll try to follow here, of course, for replies...while I believe my profile page does have a link for privately emailing me, if anyone wants. "Thanks" to all....See MoreOverwintering Geraniums - Still Growing... Help!
Comments (4)This is a belated response but it might still be helpful. When I was growing up in the midwest, people used to dig up their geraniums in the fall, shake off the dirt, and hang them upside down in their unheated basements. In the spring, they would prune off the root ends and deadest-looking top parts and plant them. This winter I dug mine up for an experiment. One, I kept in the windowsill for potential cuttings. I water it about once or twice per month. Im not trying to encourage it to grow - just survive in a dormant state. Several I shook off the soil & wrapped in newspaper or brown paper bags, put them upside down in a corner of the attached but unheated garage. Once each month I've been opening, then soaking them in water, then re-wrapping (I think I read that part somewhere on garden web). So far, the one in the window sill looks best - pale but still green & with plump stems. Second best is one that I kept the prior winter, then this year dug up and wrapped in a brown paper grocey bag. The stems are still plump, although the leaves are dried out and brown. Most of the newspaper-wrapped ones truly look dead, although there are still some stems that are somewhat plump. I suspect that the newspaper is too thin. I also have some vining geraniums that I just leave in the pots and store overwinter without watering. They look OK so far. Some are 3 years old, with this treatment. We do the same thing with fuschias, and one of these is 5 years old now. I would say, dont give up. They may need some soaking. Even if geraniums are cheap, a several year old plant has a handsome, bonsai-like appearance that young plants dont reproduce....See MoreNorthern growers may be crazy, but I'm one of the craziest
Comments (15)Thank you guys(and girls)! Kitchenshock- I do what I can with what I have, if that makes sense LOL. I've seen pics of your yard, and that's like my dream yard(when I move to Florida or California of course). You can grow nearly any palm you want in ground. I hope to be able to do that some day. The trail is nice in the summer with all of the leaves on the trees and everything in full bloom. I think the previous owners had it tiled, but since we're on an island with a high water table, I think it cracked pretty easily due to the ground shifting, so they removed it and layed the pea gravel down instead. The key to getting these tropicals to survive here, for me anyway, is to pick the right plants. I don't have anything in the ground that is above zone 7, and I'm in a 6b, so its not a far stretch. They just need a little TLC and protection, and they recover pretty nicely. Topher- Thank you for the kind words. Arctictropical- Thank you. I wish I had zone 8 winters LOL! Then I could grow several species of palms unprotected. Yes, I did see your posting with those pics, and what you have going really is very impressive! I'd love to have your palms. I haven't removed any of my protection yet either. It has been too cold and wet here to do so. We've been running at least 8-10 degrees below normal here for quite some time, and just the other day, we got 10 inches of snow. 2 years ago, I was planting by March first, but this year, on March 6th, we're having January weather that doesn't seem to want to let up. Luckily next week, we're supposed to get up into the mid 40s for at least 3 consecutive days, so I'll probably uncover my palms then and see what I'm working with as far as winter damage goes, if any at all. Jeff- Thanks, and yes, those are windows. I wanted to make sure the palms got light, but were kept dry. I was also hoping for a greenhouse effect to warm them during the day, but we've had so much snow this winter, I'm not sure how much of a greenhouse effect was produced, but I'd guess not much at all. Jimhardy- I didn't cover the yuccas at all, because I figured I had enough to cover with my larger palms, and that's why I didn't even protect my smaller palms. I planned on the sabal minors and yuccas to be experimental anyway, just to see if they'd survive unprotected, and what kind of damage they'd endure if any. I only paid $10 for the Aloifolia anyway, and its not like I lost it, I'm sure it'll come back from the roots. Yes, I just wanted to clarify, these are old pics taken on December 26th. Once I uncover everything, I'll take new pictures to assess the damage. I already know all of the foliage on my Trachy was completely fried from 0 degrees F one night, but has some green further down into the crown cavity I can see on the spear. However, no spear pull yet....See MoreAre Y'all Still Harvesting Anything?
Comments (25)We're still harvesting lots of hot peppers and sweet peppers, quite a few bite-sized tomatoes, a few slowly-ripening regular tomatoes (I may pick 'em green this afternoon because we're expecting about 36-38 degrees here at our house tonight), a decent amount of green beans---would have had more if the sun would shine, a few okra pods her and there, and still have winter squash and cukes growing. Dorothy, I ended up getting enough fall cukes for about 18 to 20 or maybe 22 jars of pickles....mostly bread and butter slices, bread and butter stackers, dill stackers, but also some dill chips and some sweet relish. I think it we could have a couple more weeks of sunshine without a freezing night, I'd get enough cukes to make at least one good batch of dill spears, but think tonight's cold may thwart those plans. My entire fall garden has produced less than expected (back when I planted in sunny weather!) and more slowly than expected due to all the clouds and rain. However, the cool season crops look good and I have high hopes for them. The fall potatoes look good above ground, and I'm hoping that when I dig them, I'll find lots of taters underground too. I hope your broccoli, cabbage and chinese cabbage can take the light frost tonight so you get a chance to make kimchee. I may or may not go out this afternoon and cover up what I can to get it through tonight's cold. The forecast for Marietta doesn't sound so bad, but our well-experienced local forecaster took great pains to explain on the weather forecast Thursday night and yesterday as well that those of us in "rural outlying areas" were likely to go into the 30s and likely would have patchy frost in some areas. So, if I don't cover up and everything is damaged or killed, I can't blame him for the weather because he warned us. I'm not really ready for the warm-season gardening season to end, but it is inevitable at some point, and the cool-season crops ought to hang on a bit longer. I have several volunteer tomato plants sprouting in the pathways, undoubtedly from one of the cherry or currant types, because the birds get some of those maters....especially the currant ones. I'm tempted to dig up a couple of those 6" tall tomato plants and try to grow them on the patio in tubs, but I know from trying it before that tomatoes that ripen in cold weather just don't have the flavor I expect. They always say it isn't over until the fat lady sings....well, for the warm-season crops, the fat lady may sing tonight. Our temps here are running 10-14 degrees colder than average for this time of year, so I don't think we'll make it to our usual average first frost date in November. I think we'll freeze here, if not tonight, then soon. Dawn...See MorePeter (6b SE NY)
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