I don't recall anyone complaining about it. Just newbies who haven't seen PLR being concerned about it and wondering if it's a problem.

Dave's articles are much better because they actually give people an idea of when they need to worry about leaf roll and when it's just something that happens but causes no harm.

"I don't recall anyone complaining about it. ."

In the following post of mine, people complain about my leaf curl with a pretense of authority:

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2005610/how-to-easily-supplement-fluorescent-with-incandescent-light?n=47

specifically:

taz6122(N.W. AR.6b)

It's obvious to me that the soil in the artificial light grown plants is wetter than that in the natural grown as it's darker and has more cyanobacteria growing on it and the plants have leaf curl.

organic_oddity(7)

Tomato leaves will curl under any condition that isn't "optimal", and given what I know about the test I'd say heat might be more of a problem.

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And, my leaf curl is about 10% that of the Big Zac in the video. That's what I call "complaining."

So you're chafing about a completely legit comment which wasn't even a complaint from 2010? LOL. You're quite the Internet specimen. And what happened to the old username? Did you get banned or tick too many people off under that one and have to start again?

The point in that thread (granted, I only skimmed because I'm not really interested in your six year-old resentments) was that leaf curl indicates non-optimal conditions. At the seedling stage, you might want to do something about it in a way you would not at the mature plant stage because 1) less can be done at the mature plant stage and leaf curl happens frequently then as a result of conditions we cannot control whereas indoor seedlings are in conditions almost entirely under our control and 2) seedling are more vulnerable to non-optimal conditions than mature.

Why would you compare 6 year-old thread about indoor seedlings to a video about a mature plant anyway?

"Did you get banned or tick too many people off under that one and have to start again?."

Absolutely. First I was aruzinsky, then dilbert, then struwwelpeter, then back to aruzinsky.

"The point in that thread (granted, I only skimmed because I'm not really interested in your six year-old resentments) was that leaf curl indicates non-optimal conditions."

Yes, an allegation made without proof whereas I proved that my growing conditions were more than adequate.

"1) less can be done at the mature plant stage and leaf curl happens frequently then as a result of conditions we cannot control whereas indoor seedlings are in conditions almost entirely under our control"

The plant in the video is "indoor" in a greenhouse therefore control is fine.

"2) seedling are more vulnerable to non-optimal conditions than mature"

Then the grower in the video has less excuse for curl except it doesn't matter.

Dude, let it go. It was a suggestion from a guy six years ago. It wasn't a "complaint". It was his recommendation, which you were free to reject.

As for the plant in the greenhouse, unless a greenhouse is fully climate-controlled and has its own HVAC, it's still much harder to control conditions there than inside a room inside one's house, which is where most people start their seedlings.

"2) seedling are more vulnerable to non-optimal conditions than mature"

Then the grower in the video has less excuse for curl except it doesn't matter.

I didn't say "more vulnerable to PLR". I said more vulnerable to non-optimal conditions. In other words, PLR indicates non-optimal conditions. A mature plant is less negatively affected by non-optimal conditions; although it may show PLR, the mature plant is robust enough that one can consider the problem mostly cosmetic. A seedling is more likely to be negatively affected by the non-optimal conditions indicated by PLR, therefore one might want to act on that indicator sooner and more aggressively than in the case of mature plants.

"It was a suggestion from a guy six years ago. It wasn't a "complaint"."

No, it was from two different guys neither of which were "Just newbies who haven't seen PLR being concerned about it and wondering if it's a problem."

You should thank me for showing you something that you previously have.t experienced.

"didn't say "more vulnerable to PLR". I said more vulnerable to non-optimal conditions. In other words, PLR indicates non-optimal conditions. A mature plant is less negatively affected by non-optimal conditions; although it may show PLR, the mature plant is robust enough that one can consider the problem mostly cosmetic. A seedling is more likely to be negatively affected by the non-optimal conditions indicated by PLR, therefore one might want to act on that indicator sooner and more aggressively than in the case of mature plants."

Prove it.

Wow. A 6 year old grudge match? Get a life.

"You should thank me for showing you something that you previously have.t experienced."

"Wow. A 6 year old grudge match? Get a life."

Here are more recent posts that escaped gorbelli's attention:

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/3999429/leaves-curling-on-cherokee-purple?n=1
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/3956977/young-tomato-plant-leaves-curling-upward-and-cracking?n=9
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2215609/tomato-leaves-curling-is-there-no-cure?n=20
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2192900/help-bottom-leaves-curling-on-my-tomato-plants?n=5

Speaking about "get a life", it seems that digdirt2 uses such posts as opportunities to pontificate ad nauseam, so, of course, digdirt2 doesn't want them to stop. That's some repetitious blather filled life you have, digdirt2.

I'll take my so-called "blather filled" life of providing actual info on the questioned asked, even if it is repetitive, over your insulting, rude, and grudge-filled life any day.

Dave

"I'll take my so-called "blather filled" life of providing actual info on the questioned asked, even if it is repetitive, over your insulting, rude, and grudge-filled life any day."

That would be my non-repetitive, insulting, rude and grudge-filled life.

But, just to break the repetition of my non-repetition, every time someone complains about leaf curl, I'll just post a link to this thread.

aruzinsky: every time someone complains about leaf curl, I'll just post a link to this thread.

That would be awesome. Let more people know sooner exactly the kind of resentful troll you are.

Of course, people will probably just be worried and asking and not complaining, but in your need to create conflict, you'll characterize them as "complaining". But that's OK--that only enhances and speeds the desired outcome mentioned above.

"That would be awesome."

Yes, and you are invited to do the same, especially, if you can beat digdirt2 to the punch before he repeats himself.

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Over the years...I have seen people lash out with insulting remarks....like some of the above posts. I find it a bit sad. It almost always is a result of that person (or people) wanting to be the "authority" on a given subject. Some folks are just really quick to take offense...and their reaction is to get ugly. Gardening (tomato growing) has many-many variables that lead to differing opinions. That is just the way it is. I find it is best to "move on" from insulting posts....rather than dig in and fight the battle.

It's just sad (somebody's favorite word) that this silly smackdown is the main topic on this site--which I am visiting for the first and last times today. Have social media turned us all into rude, insulting ten-year-olds?

Agree with fireduck. So many variables in gardening that what appears to work fine for one person may not work so well for others. Why not just agree to disagree and move on.

I don't mind disagreeing on issues and having different views and opinions. That is what a forum is all about. Sometimes we can debate an issue. But getting personal is wrong. JMO

Sey

I hate it when my leaves start to curl. Please Help!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

That is nothin'. !!!

BTW Black krim is know to be prone to leaf rolling.

Sey