It's really tough in FL, Sharon. I've tried to find granite or cherrystone with no luck. There are some companies that sell various sizes of graded gravel used in filtering that work well, but at the moment, I'm unable to access old files on a new puter. I'll be back if a search of the forums turns up anything, as I know for certain that I offered addresses & phone numbers of places in FL that sell suitable product. You can always use coarse, screened, rinsed perlite as a sub in a pinch, too. Al

hello mike glad ur around : ) , well yes indeed the grit would'nt be no prob : ) , but the turface was or maybe still is the prob : ( , upon what said looked up and called PEP BOYS , WESTERN AUTO and AUTOZONE , all auto part stores here and this is what i found thrifty sorb: http://moltan.com/Products/Flyers/Thrifity_Clay_flyers_10.pdf http://moltan.com/msds/MSDS%20pdf/MSDS_Clay_Thrifty-Sorb.pdf ********************* oil dry : http://oildri.net/Downloads/OD%20Granular.pdf http://oildri.net/Downloads/MSDS_1003000Aug11.pdf *************** and this oil absorbent found at AUTOZONE , its only name was OIL ABSOBENT ( didnt take a pic of the front of bag , but took this pic of the ingredients ) http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k542/tecnico5/Photo0056.jpg please check them did not put in the link section cause they were 4 links : ( , so have any one used this options instead of turface , which by the way the only company that has it here only works the GREEN and the PRO LEAGUE , which have read and Al also says is to small for the gritty mix , and called the company TURFACE where they make the product and told me they could send me a single MVP bag but the cost would be tooooo muchhh pricey :'( , they gave me the price but with that cost price of only the shipping it would be various $$$$$$ so not an option buy the 50 lb bag via them : ( , so woul appreciate if any have used this products as turface subsitute , and could tell me which could be a better option : / , hope Al also checks them : )

My Basic Soils 5 parts pine bark fines (partially composted fines are best) 1 part sphagnum peat (not reed or sedge peat please) 1-2 parts perlite garden lime (or gypsum in some cases) controlled release fertilizer (if preferred) micro-nutrient powder, other continued source of micro-nutrients, or fertilizer with all nutrients - including minors Big batch: 2-3 cu ft pine bark fines 5 gallons peat 5 gallons perlite 2 cups dolomitic (garden) lime (or gypsum in some cases) 2 cups CRF (if preferred) 1/2 cup micro-nutrient powder (or other source of the minors - provided in some fertilizers) Small batch: 3 gallons pine bark 1/2 gallon peat 1/2 gallon perlite 4 tbsp lime (or gypsum in some cases) 1/4 cup CRF (if preferred) micro-nutrient powder (or other source of the minors) For long term (especially woody) plantings and houseplants, I use a superb soil that is extremely durable and structurally sound. The basic mix is equal parts of pine bark, Turface, and crushed granite. 1 part uncomposted screened pine or fir bark (1/8-1/4") 1 part screened Turface or Diatonacious Earth 1 part crushed Gran-I-Grit (grower size) or #2 cherrystone 1 Tbsp gypsum per gallon of soil CRF (if desired) Source of micro-nutrients or use a fertilizer that contains all essentials I use 1/8 -1/4 tsp Epsom salts per gallon of fertilizer solution when I fertilize (check your fertilizer - if it is soluble, it is probable it does not contain Ca or Mg.

If you get to N OH you can get prescreened fir bark from Robert's flower supply in Columbia Station, OH. Keep your eyes peeled for pine bark in an appropriate size at big box stores, nurseries, greenhouse ops, ...... The grit can be had at grain elevators that sell animal feeds or stores that cater to rural populations that raise fowl. You can usually find Manna-Pro Poultry grit at farm stores. For Turface, try: Residex 5866 Highland Ridge Dr Cincinnati, OH 45232 (800) 471-8309 http://www.residex.com The Hill Company 2776 CirclePort Dr Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 815-8320 http://www.turfventures.com/partners/hill-company/ SiteOne Landscape Supply #523 3635 Ohara Rd Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 282-9731 https://www.siteone.com/ SiteOne Landscape Supply #459 1150 Century Circle N Springdale, OH 45246 (513) 772-0259 https://www.siteone.com/ Turfgrass Inc. 8045 D Dixie Hwy Florence, KY 41042 (859) 594-4948 http://www.turfgrassinc.com Pennington Seed 9530 Le Saint Dr Fairfield, OH 45014 (888) 393-1050 http://www.penningtonseed.com SiteOne Landscape Supply #515 4055 Commercial Blvd Cincinnati, OH 45245 (513) 943-0940 https://www.siteone.com/ SiteOne Landscape Supply #674 10051 Simonson Rd Harrison, OH 45030 (513) 202-1740 https://www.siteone.com/ Century Equipment 8650 Berk Blvd Hamilton, OH 45015 (800) 346-0066 http://www.centuryequip.com Al