Your experience with these roses (for hot & humid east coast climate)

7 years ago

Dear all,
A few years ago I received a list of recommended roses for New Jersey from Diane on this forum and began growing roses in my garden. Diane, thanks a lot again! Now I am again into a spree of rose gardening.
I plan to purchase five roses for next spring, two of which will be Quadra and Eliza. I have read many good things about Quadra and I want to try it myself. I currently have an Eliza in my garden and I really like this rose.
For the remaining three roses, I need two tall ones (4 to 5 feet) and a smaller one (3 feet or so)
my criteria, in the order of importantance, are:
1. BS disease resistance – Of course this depends a lot on a person’s level of tolerance. NJ climate is far from ideal for roses. I have a DA Maryrose and I do treat it; only once in early spring though. It defoliates about 40% to 50% in the summer. I want a rose that can do much better than that! 20% defoliation is acceptable I guess.
2. Good repeat blooming – Rose flowers and colors are therapeutic so I want to see them often.
3. Mannerly growth behavior – This is a bit hard to describe. I have a Thérése Bugnet rose and it is doing great in my garden and it is over 10 feet. But it “walks”; new offshoots just pop up several feet away from the plant.
I like HT-like, upright roses (such as Eliza), but I realize this might be difficult since NJ climate is not good for tea roses.
4. Color – I would really like to have one “true red” or darker red rose – not pinkish, cherry, or coral red. But this is a lesser requirement.
So far, I have given thoughts to the following. If anyone can share your experience with any of them, or any other suggestions, I would really apprecaite it!
Otta of the blue – its flowers look good but HMF lists it as susceptable to BS.
Easy does it – Does it do well in hot and humid east coast? Does it get tall?
Heritage – Is it reasonably disease-resistant in NJ? My DA Maryrose has about 40% -50％ defloitation. Not sure whether it is a good idea to get DA roses since I only do very minimal treatments.
Rosenstadt Freising – It looks nice. How tall does it get？Do its flowers become "dirty" in the east coast hot and humilidty weather? Is it a good disease-resistant rose？
Our Lady of Guadalupe – How well does it do in NJ or in the east coast gardens?
Desmond Tutu rose – Its red looks good, but I am curious about its disease resistance. Newflora lists it as very disease resistant on its website. Does anyone have experience with this rose?
Oklahoma – I wonder if it is a good idea to grow this tea rose in NJ. BS is not avoidable here, but does it at least still look decent? How bad does it defoliate?
Lion Fairy Tale – I have read good things about this rose on the forum. My concern is would it get that "dirty, used-tissue" appearance in NJ climate? I have a Bonica rose and sometimes its flowers really look like used Kleenex tissues in the summer…
Hot Cocoa – The color put me off a bit at first. But the more I read about it the more it grows on me. Is it a healthy, reliable rose? How tall does it get?
Pope John Paul II – This one looks really nice but I wonder whether it can do well in NJ
Elina – I don't have any yellow roses in the garden. If this is a good one then I am willing to add it in.
Francois Rabelois – How tall does this get? Does it have good BS resistance?
William Shakespeare 2000 – A DA rose and its flowers really look good. Is it worth trying given my once a year treatment?
Traviata – How tall does it get? A good rose for NJ?
Any other suggestions for roses in NJ climate will be greatly appreciated!!

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rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)

7 years ago

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msrpisi:

I have 1 Mary Rose and 1 Heritage growing 3 feet apart. Over 10 years old each. 4-5 hours of sun a day, tops. MR gets a bit more.

Your description of how MR does matches mine, re: BS/defoliation. That's with 1 March copper spray, and (past years) 1-2 "other" fungicide sprays per year. Good initial flush, then sparse smattering of bloom after big heat subsides.

Heritage in past years has given 3 flushes a year - 1st best, of course. With same Rx as above, trivial BS and no to minimal defoliation. Last year I just did the single March spray on it - no difference. Some of the healthiest foliage of all my roses.

I do see Heritage was near the top of this http://www.nybg.org/gardens/rose-garden/performers-2010.php list's rankings. Although, as it has good delicate fragrance, some of the high score reflected that (rather than just disease resistance and flower power). I'm presuming the 10 point scale system Peter K. used there was akin to the 100 point scale he used here: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/3840656/spray-free-roses-spreadsheet-kukielski

Interesting Heritage doesn't even appear on the spreadsheet (or I missed it). FWIW, I'm about 20 miles from Manhattan.

Hope that helps.

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Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
7 years ago
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For healthy and beautiful and fragrant, have you considered Kordes' Dark Desire or Austin's Munstead Wood? If your not interested in fragrance have a look at AC Navy Lady. It's a shrub type rose and fabulous, hardy and a true dark red. There are a few posters from NJ, so hopefully they'll pipe in. I'm just an obsessed newbie this season. :)
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cecily
7 years ago
Well heck, if you've already had reccommendations from Diane I can't top that! My SIL in the Oranges grew Peter Mayle no spray and it did VERY well except for bare ankles. It was blooming in a second story window when a hurricane broke it off.
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jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago
I'm 4-5 hours from New Jersey.... Outta the blue rose blackspotted badly here no spray...

I'm trying Easy Does it but to earlier to tell anything yet about disease but so far so good...Planted own-root in May of 2015 EDI is growing with vigor here and blooming like crazy as a young plant...(4ft high already) But others state it might be winter tender and we had a mild winter last year so only time will tell with that...

Maybe Diane can tell you more about those two roses...

Easy Does it starts out orangeish than color fades to pinkish....(My camera washes out color at times...)
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diane_nj 6b/7a
7 years ago
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Oklahoma, like all hybrid teas in my garden, defoliates without fungicide treatment.

Rosenstadt Friesing. I have a love/like relationship with this one. 4' tall, equally wide. Needs deadheading, it will set hips, which slows rebloom. Usually does not defoliate, but mine is being fussy this year.

A lot of folks in the area like Easy Does It. I don't grow it.

I wouldn't hesitate to try Lions Fairy Tale, or any other of the fairy tale roses.

Our Lady of Guadeloupe was nice, but borderline hardy, and I lost it after 5 years.

Hot Cocoa will get between 4' - 5' tall. It defoliates near the end of the season.

I recommend the Kordes Fairy Tale series, the three that I have retained leaves as well as Blushing Knock Out, and usually don't have a speck of blackspot. I don't grow any red roses, can't help with any recommendations there.
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barbarag_happy
7 years ago
Lions Fairy Tale is a great shrub, healthy foliage and good repeat bloom. The blooms have good substance but I still dead head it.

Hot Cocoa is a variable in color, sometimes a clear orange sometimes russet; the name refers to the fact that it is a BROWNISH coral. Not to everyone's taste.

Heritage will defoliate at least 50%; better than other Austins but I wouldn't put it outside my window!

I'm in coastal SE Virginia which is very hot from May thru October. Let us know how Quadra works out, I'm still searching for a great red that is healthy and repeats bloom well.
msrpisi
Original Author
7 years ago
All,

Thanks so much for all the info.

Sounds like Lions Fairy Tale is a good choice. I might also try Easy Does it.

barbarag_happy, I was hoping maybe Heritage would work in NJ, but 50% is too much for. I will let you know how Quadra does in my garden. I am mentally prepared to deal with this giant rose.

Diane, thanks again. I will look into other Kordes roses.
jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago
I just ordered Kordes Fiji to try here no spray...

http://newflora.com/product/fiji-rose/

Our Earthsong rose bush is losing leaves at a fast pace so he's going to my friends house and I will try Fiji...
msrpisi
Original Author
7 years ago
I thought about buying a Earthsong but then read somewhere that it does get BS and defoliate.

Yes Kordes Fiji looks nice, but it is kind of short...

I just read about Poseidon (should have focused on work stead ...). It sounds like a good rose and can tolerate some shade. Does anyone grow Poseidon in the east coast?
modestgoddess z6 OH
7 years ago
My Poseidon was planted this May, own root 1 gallon. I'm in Maryland and so far it is very healthy.

This user on help me find has a no spray garden in Virginia

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.197734
boncrow66
7 years ago
Instead of Heritage maybe try Quiteness, a bucks rose I live in a high bs area and this rose has had no bs all season and it is a vigourous growing rose that blooms in flushes for me. It's a absolutely gorgeous light pink with big peony shaped blooms that are fragrant and seem to last in the vase if cut early. I have 2 and it's become my favorite rose. I know everyone's climate is different so ya never know how it will do in your neck of the woods but for me it's BS free.

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rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)

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