What is a "Mortgage Freedom Account"
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Comments (38)Hi graywings, I started reading this thread without noting the dates the posts were written. Dave, I don't want to put you on the spot, but I am wondering how the accounts you spoke of in 2007, the 72c Guaranteed Savings accounts (equity-indexed fixed life contract, or annuity contract) have weathered over the last three years. Heh... you can "put me on the spot" in this regard *ANY* time ;~) Both the equity indexed life & annuity products have *VERY* strongly outperformed the unprotected stock index markets over the same periods of time (since 2007. In fact, going back from today to almost as far as you'd like.) Their design is that they capture & credit any annual upside (to a maximum gain,) and lock that amount permanently to your credit. On any years with a downside, your account sits tight with no losses at all (guaranteed by the insured backings of the company reserves and the state's guarantee association (each state's equivalent of a regional "FDIC" in essence.) If you put $100,000 in the S&P 500 for the last decade, you'd actually be holding a bit LESS than $100,000 today (not deducting the tax or management fees that may also be applied.) The same $100,000 in an insured indexing account would be approximately $211,768, net of everything (taxes & fees,) *OR* about an average annual tax-free rate of return of 7.06% Alternatively, those folks who decided to take their working capital OUT of growth, and put it into their real estate equity, have been double-stung; Not only have they gained nothing toward retirement, their equity values have decayed from 10-30% (depending on the area.) The clients who've been with us the last 3-5 years have been rather relieved, ecstatic, and pleasantly bored, all at the same time. Its a very nice financial reality to provide. Cheers, Dave Donhoff Leverage Planner (PS. to re-paraphrase celticmoon; When everyone else's retirement nest-egg is drowning deep underwater... its kinda nice to be riding on the back of a "duck" ;~)...See Morecash out refi - good idea?
Comments (16)Hi again donaldsg, I was able to use Dave's post to convince my husband to shop around some more and I'd like some advice on alternatives. Good... but ugghh!! These are the best offers & advice he's secured??? Option 1) Home equity loan from our credit union with a fixed rate of 6.24% for a 10 year term, and costs are mortgage tax only, or Even Bernanke has come out & explicitly stated that the Fed is going to keep short-term interest rates low "well into the foreseeable future." Currently, HELOC money is available around Prime (plus or minus maybe 1/4 to 1/2%) That means you can get the money you need (and only draw it *as* needed) at around a net rate of 3%-ish. That's under *HALF* the costs of the fixed loan, without the more dangerous burden of a forced 10 year repayment amortization*!!! If you anticipate the ability to save up enough money over the future 10 years to pay for this kitchen addition... then you are likely far better off using a HELOC to do the job (which is also exponentially cheaper in closing costs... from jest a few hundred bucks,) and then using your "savings power" to apply your budget to retiring the HELOC balance. (* The reason amortization is a responsible person's nightmare is because it removes budgetary control from YOU. Now, this may actually be a good thing for those who know they are "money-management challenged" and if this is true for you I understand... many people are. HOWEVER, if you are indeed a strong income and budgetary manager, then you are far better off keeping 100% control of which direction you send 100% of your money each month (which you can only do when you are NOT constrained by amortization.) The *BEST* way to eliminate your mortgage (for responsible people,) is to accumulate a side "Mortgage Freedom Account" which grows to the point that you can then stroke out a single large check to extinguish the entire balance at once. EVERYONE ought to eliminate ALL of their home leverage (HOWEVER, never a day nor a dollar earlier than it is SAFE to do so!) Option 2) refinance with our current mortgage carrier for a 20 year term at 4.75%, paying closing costs of $5500 and $1920 for points. Again, going the wrong direction on amortization (I am assuming from your self-description you are indeed a tight and responsible budget manager.) Further, 4.75% is way too pricey on today's market for a 20 year loan. EVEN FURTHER, if you are planning on staying in this home longer than 5-8 years, and you accept a higher interest rate offer in order to have a lower closing cost (which will entirely be financed by the loan anyway,) then you will be tilting the cost/savings trade-off into the present, and casting your permanent costs into your permanent monthly payments which will NOT get reduced back down after the 5 year breakeven period. Put it this way.... For approximately every $1 you spend in higher closing costs which results in a lower interst rate.... You save an annual total of about $0.20 in interest costs, permanently, per year. After 5 years has passed, you CONTINUE to save that $0.20 per year, EVERY year. SPEND $5,000 in discount points, save $1,000 per year on interest charges. After 5 years, KEEP saving $1,000 per year. ALTERNATIVELY; For approximately every $1 you REDUCE in closing costs which results in a HIGHER interst rate.... You SPEND an annual total of an additional $0.20 in interest costs, permanently, per year. After 5 years has passed, you CONTINUE to SPEND that $0.20 per year, EVERY year. AVOID $5,000 in discount points, SPEND $1,000 per year in higher interest charges. After 5 years, KEEP SPENDING $1,000 per year, permanently. Make more sense? This is one of the reasons why it pays to use a properly educated planner to structure your finances, if you aren't familiar with all the variables and how they can really affect you over time. Cheers, Dave Donhoff Leverage Planner...See MoreConventional Mortgages. All the same?
Comments (14)Hi Sparksals, Some clarifications, if I may... If you're going to pay the mortgage off in 12-15 years, why not get a 15 year mortage? I'd say: Because getting a 15 year term puts your feet to the fire and locks you OUT of any safety management of your own equity. It removes your ability to plan and adjust to life. PLUS in actuality it ends up costing you more in real cash, in the end. You will save a considerable amount of interest and the rate will be a bit lower than the 30 year fixed rate. Actually, if you run the numbers, and apply ONLY the potential earning rate of conservative CD savings interest to the additional amount of principal trapped in a 15 year term versus a 30 year term, you pay far less with a 30 year mortgage. Ignoring the very real loss of savings interest income from the money you may be trapping into the real estate equity on an accelerated basis can be hazardous to your wealth ;~) That is an option if you think you can afford the 15 year payment. If you're taking out a 30 year mortgage for the security of a lower payment in case one of you lose your job, then adding to the principal will have the same effect of reducing interest, but you'll still pay a higher interest rate. THIS is true... which is why it is both safer, and smarter, to accelerate the elimination of your mortgage by sending all your free money into a seperate, liquid, savings-based "Mortgage Freedom Account" than to actually dribble it into the mortgage bank prematurely. The most important thing to check with your conventional mortgage is that there are no prepayment penalities. Actually... prepayment penalties on residential financing are so extremely tame, and offer the potential of strong savings (often reduced rates are offered in return for PPP periods,) that it is really something to look at favorably. By law, PPP can never be applied to accelerated payments less than 20% of the original balance... that's 1/5th of the entire loan amount... so if you WERE determined to dribble away your cash to the mortgage company, that is a LOT of dribbling you can get away with and still get the lower interest rates. In addition, there are SOFT PPP which apply only to payoffs greater than 20% due to refinancing only (not sales,) and HARD PPP which apply to both refinances and sales. Taking the rate discounts for a SOFT PPP when available can be a real win... and anyone paying a premium for a 30 year fixed, but avoiding a rate discount with a PPP, is simply conflicting their own financial values. WEIGH the options carefully, and KEEP ALL THE VARIABLES IN MIND! Eliminate ALL of your debt as fast as possible... HOWEVER, not a DAY EARLIER than it has completely served you! Cheers, Dave Donhoff Strategic Equity & Mortgage Planner...See More30 FRM Rates in the 3%s!!!
Comments (29)Hi Billl, While Dave's plan may make perfect mathematical sense, it really hasn't proven to be a way for the average joe to amass wealth. Actually yes, it has, in big, bold spades. It not only proves to be *A* way, it is indisputably the safest & fastest way. The path that most people seem to have more success with is to just pay off their house early and then live "bill free" in relative comfort. Actually, "MOST" people (literally 9 out of 10, per bond turnover records) who try that approach; A) have more risk of default (and subsequent loss of home) from insufficient reserves, B) Back-slide on their "pay-off plan" when they (completely contrary to their "for sure this time" plans) statistically move every 5-8 years, and/or refinance every 3-5 years. Anyone with the discipline & presence of mind to make a habit of paying a "little extra" to the mortgage will generally have zero problem instead paying that same "little extra" toward a safer Mortgage Freedom Account instead. They don't have to be financial super-athletes... in fact, the action to follow is identical, the difference is simply the safety and speed of payoff (the MFA trumping in both categories.) Of course, the CORE issue all about education... which is the entire reason most people show up to financial communities like this. If our community were the financial equivalent of the average "McDonald's diners" they wouldn't waste their valuable undisciplined time learning about dry topics like finance. FORTUNATELY, the presentation of the best of current financial strategies, and the integration of classic mometary principles, is a worthwhile pursuit for all. Cheers, Dave Donhoff Leverage Planner...See More- 10 years ago
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