Carnosa and pubicalyx are both very nice plants and easy to grow. Pubicalyx leaves usually have more sliver speckles or splashes than carnosa leaves. There are websites: www.hoyaor.net www.myhoyas.com Both sites are full of useful info and great pictures! Hope these help you as they do me! Brad AKA Moonwolf

Glad to hear you got the one you wanted. Did you get it from someone in here?? Well I THINK I have the 'Hawaiian Purple', it's growth and blooms look like those top pics. BUT its NEW growth is VERY dark, including the stems. And has no twisting,or that rosey blush on it. The leaves are very thick and have the silver splashes on it, no thinness to it and it doesn't twist either. That name 'Philipine Black' is a name I have heard of. I either had it, or got it with my Hawaiian, and it didn't live. I dont have a tag on my 'Hawaiian Purple'. It never bloomed till this past winter, finally, after 5-7 years of waiting, so it got lost over time. Now it has like 10 spurs, and 8 are putting out new buds now.know now. It is SO big, lots of long vines, I guess it is happy now, thus the spurs, finally! The bloom pic. at the top IS what I have. I can take pictures of the blooms when they open in 2 weeks or so. That 'Super Splash' one is amazing! Your own cross??? Do you have a lot it...for trade or sale?? Or is it just that 1 vine? It ever bloom? Has that 'Philipine Black' you have bloomed for you yet? This is a picture of a cutting I got on here like 3 yrs ago, the tag on it faded fast in the sun. so no name. I posted these pics. on here, but no one knows the name of it. This top pic. is one of my oldest hoyas a 'Macgillvrayii' that I adore. As you see, the leaves are a plain light green. nothing special, but this is its first bloom ever. And it has the regular 'Pubicalyx fragrance to it. So,it is un-named. I grow several of the 'Macs' and several colors of the 'Archboldandias', the BIG bloomers. I am still waiting for blooms to happen on most. This is the one that blooms for me all year. Almost non stop.

April 11, 1972 a. L. COBIA Plant Pat. 3,105 HOYA CARNOSA RUBRA Fild Feb. 16, 1970 United States Patent C) 3,105 HOYA CARNOSA RUBRA Barnell L. Cobia, Winter Garden, Fla., assignor to B. L. Cobia, Inc., Winter Garden, Fla. Filed Feb. 16, 1970, Ser. No. 11,926 Int. Cl. A01h 5/00 US. Cl. Plt.88 1 Claim ABSTRACT OF THE DISCLOSURE A new and distinct plant variety of the milkweed family resembles plants of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety in variegated leaf patterns but is distinguished from the latter variety by certain color characteristics, by slightly larger stems and by a somewhat wider leaf blade that is usually ovate in shape. The invention relates to a new and distinct plant variety of the milkweed (Asclepiadaceae) family and which has been named the Hoya camosa (CV) Rubra by the inventor. Certain plants of the milkweed family are well known in the foliage plant market and among these are those of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety and of the Hoyw carnosa Variegata variety. A lesser known related variety found in the foliage plant market but which is rapidly gaining popularity is the Hoya carnosa Tricolor variety. Plants of the Hoya carnosa Tricolor variety have variegated leaf blades which are similar in pattern to those of the Hoya carnosa Variegated variety but are preferred by comparing purchasers in the market place because of certain characteristic colors which, in immature and newly matured growth, appear in the albino or variegated areas of the leaf blades. Plants of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety have variegated leaf blades but in contrast to the albino leaf blade border areas of the Hoya carnosa Variegated plant variety are characterized by an albino center field in the leaf blade. The main object of the invention has been to develop a plant variety which is related in general appearance to the Hoya carnosa Exotica plant variety but which exhibits colors in the albino leaf blade areas that are similar to those found in the Hoya ca rn0sa Tricolor variety. The object of the invention has been fully realized as will be evident from the following detailed disclosure. Plants of the new variety generally resemble plants of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety and are not only related to this variety but also related to the Hoya CLH'VIO'SLZ Variegata and Hoya carnosw Tricolor varieties. The new variety is mainly distinguished from its antecedents and related varieties known to the inventor by a combination of certain color and structural characteristics which will be apparent subsequently. The new variety appeared as a sport on a plant of the H oya carnosa Tricolor variety which was under cultivation in a nursery at Winter Garden, Fla, and since the initial discovery of the new variety, has been asexually reproduced by the inventor at the Winter Garden nursery by the propagation of stem cuttings taken from the original plant. Through successive propagations, it has been ascertained that plants of the new variety generally resemble plants of the Hoya carnOsa Exotica variety but are distinguishable from this plant variety and from other related varieties known to the inventor by a growth habit which combines the following characteristics: (1) Larger diameter stems than those of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety and which in color are dominated by purple, purplish red, red, reddish brown and/or pink hues prior to becoming glaucous; Plant Pat. "ice" (2) Leaves with petioles that in color are dominated by purple, purplish red, red, reddish brown, pink and/ or yellowish pink hues prior to becoming glaucous, and with leaf blades that are somewhat broader than those of the H oya carnosa Exotica variety, that are variegated in patterns characteristic of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety, that have an albino center area which in color is dominated during early immaturity by purplish pink, purplish red, red and/or yellowish pink hues, and that have a green border area which is overcast during early immaturity with color endowing the border area to the ordinary eye with a blackish and/or brownish appearance; and (3) An inflorescence that has a peduncle color dominated by purplish red, red and/or reddish brown hues prior to becoming glaucous, a pedicel color dominated by purplish red and/ or red hues, a sepal color dominated by purplish red, red and/or reddish brown hues, and a petal which in color at its upper epidermal side is dominated by purplish pink and/ or pink hues and which in color at its lower epidermal side is dominated by a purplish red hue. The accompanying drawings serve, by color photographic means, to illustrate the new variety and wherein: FIG. 1 is a color photograph of a plant specimen of the new variety and shows the upper epidermal sides of the leaves; FIG. 2 is a color photograph of the specimen seen in FIG. 1 and shows the lower epidermal sides of the leaves; FIG. 3 is a color photograph of an inflorescence of the new variety; and FIG. 4 is another color photograph of the inflorescence seen in FIG. 3. The following is a detailed description of the new plant variety with colors and hues, unless otherwise clearly indicated by the text, being named in accord with the ISCC- NBS method of designating colors (US. Department of Commerce, National Bureau of Standards, Circular 553, issued Nov. 1, 1955), the named colors being interpreted from color notations derived by comparison with the color specimens in the current Neighboring Hues Edition of the Munsell Book of Color, published by the Munsell Color Company, Inc., of Baltimore, Maryland. Plant description Name: Hoya carnosa (CV) Rubra. Origin: A sport on a plant of the Hoya carnosa Tricolor variety. Classification: (A) B0tanic.-(Asclepiadaceae) milkweed family. (B) C0mmercial.-Foliage plant. Form: Semisucculent, tropical, twining vine type perennial evergreen with some branching. Stems: (A) General.Caulescent, ileshly, herbaceous. (B) Texture.-Moderately pubescent during immaturity and with age becoming glaucous and ultimately covered with thick waxy scale. (C) Size.( 1) Diameter: characteristically larger in diameter than those of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety and at maturity during the first year being usually between 2 and 5 mm. (2) Internode: usually between 2 and mm. during first year of vine growth. (D) Colon-Characteristically dominated by purple, purplish red, red, reddish brown and/or pink hues prior to becoming glaucous. Commonly occurring colors are moderate purplish red (10 RP 4/8), dark purplish red (7.5 RP 3/6) (10 RP 3/6) (10 RP 3/4), grayish purplish red (10 RP 4/ 6), dark grayishpurple (10 RP 3/2), moderate red (5 R 3 4/8) (5 R 4/10) (2.5 R 4/8), dark red (5 R 3/4) (2.5'R 3/6), light grayish red (2.5 R 6/4) (7.5 R 6/4), grayish red (2.5 R 4/6) (2.5 R 5/6) (5 R 5/6) (7.5 R 5/6), dark grayish red (2.5 R 3/2), dark pink (2.5 R 6/ 6), and/ or dark grayish reddish brown (7.5 R 2/2) (10 R 2/1). Leaves: and'ultimately covered with thick waxy scale. 3) Size: (a) Diameterusually between 2 and 3 mm. during first year of maturity. (b) Lengthusually between 6 and 20 mm. during first year of maturity. (4) Color: characteristically dominated by purple, purplish red, red, reddish brown, pink and/ or yellowish pink hues prior to becoming glaucous. Commonly occurring colors are moderate purplish red (10 RP 4/8), dark purplish red (10 RP 3/6) (7.5 RP 3/4) (10 RP 3/4), grayish purplish red' (10 RP 5/6), moderate red (5 R 4/8) (5 R 5/8), dark red (2.5 R 3/4) (5 R 3/4), grayish red (2.5 R 4/4) (2.5 R 4/2) (7.5 R 4/4) (S'R 4/6) (5 R 5/ 6), light grayish red (5 R 6/4), moderate reddish brown (10 R 3/6), deep pink (2.5 R 6/8) (5 R 6/8), moderate pink (5 R 7/6), moderate yellowish pink (2.5 YR 8/4), and/ or dark grayish purple (10 RP 3/2). (G) Leaf blades-(1) General: semisucculent and characteristically variegatedin patterns characteristic of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety with the upper epidermal blade part generally having an albino center field or area which is surrounded by a green border area, and with the lower epidermal blade part having a splotched or streaked background field. (2) Texture: (a) Upper epidermis slightly pubescent during immaturity and with smooth waxy appearing surface during maturity. (b) Lower epidermis-moderately pubescent and heavily glaucous at maturity. (3) Size: (a) Lengthusually between 25 and 85 mm. during first year of maturity. (b) Width-characteristically wider than blades of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety and usually between 15 and 50 mm. during first year of maturity. (4) Color: (a) Upper epidermal part (1) Albino center area: characteristically dominated during immaturity by purplish pink, purplish red, pink, red and/or yellowish pink hues that gradually fade out of the area during maturity. Commonly occurring colors during immaturity are pale purplish pink (7.5 RP 8/4), moderate purplish pink (7.5 RP 7/8), deep purplish pink (7.5 RP 6/10), moderate pink (5 R 8/4) (2.5 R 7/6) (10 RP 7/6), dark pink (2.5 R 6/6) (5 R 6/6), deep pink (10 RP 6/8), strong pink (10 RP 7/ 8) (2.5 R 7/8), moderate purplish red (10 RP 4/10) (10 RP 5/8) (7.5 RP 5/10), grayish purplish red (10 RP 4/ 6), moderate red (2.5 R 4/10) (2.5 R 5/8), and/or light-moderate yellowish pink (7.5 R 8/4). Commonly occurring colorsafter fading out are yellowish white (near 10 YR 9/2) (near 2.5 Y 9/2) (near 7.5 Y 9/2), pale yellow green (10 Y 9/ 2), pale greenish yellow (7.5 Y 9/4) (10 Y 9/4), light greenish. yellow (7.5 Y 9/6) (10 -Y 9/6), pale yellow (5 Y 9/4) (2.5 .Y 9/4) (near 2.5 Y-9/2) (near 7.5.Y 9/2), 4 light yellow (5 Y 9/6) (2.5 Y 9/6), brilliant yellow (5 Y' 9/8'), pale orange yellow (near 10 YR 9/2), and/or pale yellowish green (10 Y 9/2). (2) Green border area: characteristically overcast during early immaturity with color which is concentrated in the upper epidermal region of the blade and which endows the border areaito the ordinary eye witha blackish and/or brownish'appearance that fades out ofthe area; Commonly occurring colors during early immaturityare purplishblack (near 10 RP 2/1), reddish black (near 2.5 R'2/l) (near 5 R 2/1), blackish purple (near 10 RP 2/ 1) (near 10 RP 2/2), dark grayish purple (near 10 RP 2/1) (near 10 RP 2/2) (near 7.5 RP 2/2), blackish red (near 2.5 R 2/1) (near 5 R 2/1) (near 2.5 R 2/2) (near 5 R 2/2), dark grayish red (near 2.5 R 2/1) (near 5 R 2/1) (near 2.5 R 2/2) (near 5 R 2/2), very dark red (near 2.5 R 2/2) (near 5 R 2/ 2), dark purplish red (near 10 RP 2/ 2) (near 7.5 RP 2/2), very dark purplish red (near 10 RP 2/2) (near 7.5 RP 2/2), dark grayish brown GY 4/4), dark yellowish green (l GY 3/4) (10 GY 4/4) (10 GY 4/6), strong yellow green (2.5 GY 7/8) (2.5 GY 6/8) GY 7/8) (5 GY 6/8) (7.5 GY 6/8) (7.5 GY 7/10) (7.5 GY 7/8) (7.5 GY 6/10), and/ or moderate yellow green (2.5 GY 5/6) (5 GY 5/6) (5 GY 6/6) (7.5 GY 5/6) (7.5 GY 6/4) (7.5 GY 6/6) (5 GY 7/6) (2.5 GY 5/6). (b) Lower epidermalpart(1) Splotches and streaks: commonly-moderate'yellow green (5 GY 5/4) (5 GY 6/4) (7.5 GY 6/4) (5 GY 6/6) (5 GY 7/4) (2.5 GY 7/6). (2) Background: commonly occurring colors are pale greenish yellow Y 9/4) (7.5'Y 9/4), light greenish yellow (10 Y 9/6), and/or light yellow green (5 GY 9/4) Inflorescence: (A) Form.-Simple umbel with minute 5-merous bracts and usually from to 45 flowers in a cluster. (B) Peduncles.--(l) General: hard, fleshy. (2) Texture: slightly pubescent and with age becoming glaucous and ultimately covered with thick waxy-scale. (3) Size: (a) Length-usually to 40 mm. at maturity. (b) Diameter--usually be tween 1 and 4 mm. at maturity. (c) Color-characteristically dominated by purplish red, red and/ or reddish brown hues prior-to becoming glaucous. Commonly occurring colors are moderate grayish purplish red (7.5 RP 4/6) (10 RP 4/4), moderate purplish red (10 RP 4/10) (10 RP 5/8) (10 RP 4/8), dark purplish red (7.5 RP 3/6) (7.5 RP 4/6) (10 RP '3/4), dark red (5 R 3/4) (2.5 R 3/4), and/or moderate reddish brown (7.5 R 3/4). (C) Pedicels.(1) General: soft, fleshy. (2) Texture: sparcely pubescent. (3) Size: (a) Lengthusually to mm. (b) Diameter--usually between 1 and 2 mm. (4) Color-characteristically dominated by purplish red and/ or red hues. Commonly occurring colors are dark red (2.5 R 3/6) (5 -R 3/6) and/or moderate purplish red (10 RP 5/10) (10 RP 4/8) (7.5 RP 4/8). (D) Fl0wers.(1) General: complete, perfect, actinomorphic and 5-merous type flower with hypogynous perianth and alternate sepal-petal and petal-corona segment arrangements. (2) Size: usually 15 to 20 mm. in diameter. (3) Calyx: (a) General-5-merous with separate, valvate sepals. (b) Sepal texture-(1) Upper epidermis: smooth glabrous. (2) Lower epidermis: moderately pubescent. (c) Sepal size-proximal to distal end length is usually about 3 mm. (d) Sepal color characteristically dominated by purplish red, red and/ or reddish brown huesjCommonly occurring colors are dark purplish red RP 3/4) (10 RP 3/6), grayish red (2.5 R 4/4), and/or dark red (2.5 R 3/6) (2.5 R 3/4). (4) Corolla: (a) General-S-merous, valvate and rotate with interpetal basal fusion for about 1/2 petal length. (b) Petal texture(l) Upper epidermis: very dense (C) Blades.(l) Width-wary from 28-36 mm. at velvety pubescence. (2) Lower epidermis: glabrous maturity. (2) Length-vary from 48-72 mm. at and waxy. (c) Petal sizeproximal to distal end maturity. (3) Color--(a) Upper epidermal albino length usually about 6-7 mm. (d) Petal colorarea; (1) Immature: moderate red (2.5 R 4/ 10), (1) Upper epidermal side: characteristically moderate pink (10 .RP 7/6) and dark pink (5 R dominated by purplish pink and/or pink hues. /6)- (2) Mature: yellowish white (near 10 YR Commonly occurring colors are dark purplish pink 9/2), P Yellow Y and P y (5 RP 6/8) (7.5 RP 6/6), moderate purplish lowish green (10 Y 9/2). (b) Upper epidermal pink (5 RP 7/6), and/or dark pink 10 RP 6/6). green border area: Newly immature: grayish (2) Lower epidermal side: characteristically domiolive (75 Y 3 Y Maturel nated by a purplish red hue. Commonly occurring Crate Olive green GY GY 4/ and colors are moderate purplish red (7.5 RP 4/ 8) moderate Yellow green GY 5/ Lower (10 RP 4/10), dark purplish red (7.5 RP 3/6) epidermal spllotched area: (1) Mature: moderate 5 RP 3/8), and/or grayish purplish red 5 RP yellow green GY Lower epidermal 4/ 6). (5) Corona: (a) General-5 merous, hornbackground area! Matufel P greenish like segments which are adnate to stigma and co- Yellow Y rolla and re t d at th i i l d (lb) S The following is a general description of a typical inment texturehard, smooth, waxy and glabr0us florescence that appear on a vine about 18 months old. (c) Segment color-(l) Proximal end: com of flowers: monly dark grayish purple (7.5 RP 3/ 2) and/ or Pedunclel dark purplish red (7.5 RP 3/6) (7.5 RP 3/4 5 z Length: about 28 Dlam- RP 3/4) and merging with distal end color. (2) etel'i aboutl Distal end: commonly yellowish white (5 Y 9/1) Calm-Dark p p Ted RP and (10 Y 9/1 7.5 Y 9/1 and/or pale yellow green dark red R (10 Y 9/2) and merging with proximal end color. 'Pedlcels! (6) Androecium: (a) General-5 merous pollin- Lengthl y from about 27 L ium pairs partially enclosed by expanded translu- 31 Dlameteri about 1 cent parenchymatous translators and attached to Ted R 3/ d m d r stigma through corpuscula located between ad- P P jacent segments and with pollinia and translators Flowers: rising above corpuscula and stigma in converging (A) (112111161161 i l an-amgamentv (b) pollinium w (B) Sepal szze.Proxlmal to distal end length about monly brilliant yellow (near 2.5 Y 8/10) (near 5 3 mm Y 8/10) and/or strong yellow (near 2.5 Y 8/10) Sepal P p Ted P (near 5 Y 8/10). (7) Gynoecium: (a) General and dark compound and apocarpous pistil with common Pefal f pp epldefmal 'sldei dark stigma. (b) Stigma(1) General: 5-lobed and Purphsh Pmk 6/6) dark P R Waxy. (2) Color: commonly light moderate yellow 6/6)- (2) Lower epldellmal sldel dark P p (2.5 Y 8/7) and/or light brilliant yellow '(near 5 red Y 9/ 8). (c) Stylelacking. (d) Ovary(1) Gen- (1 Corona segment color.(1) Proximal end: eral: two monoearpellate ovularies with axillary dark R red (75 RP 3/6)- (2) Dlstal end: placentation of ovules. (2) Color: commonly dark yellowish 'Whlw Y purplish red (10 RP 3/6) (F) Pollzmum c0l0r.Brllllant yellow (near 5 Y The above description is based on observations of well 8/10); feltilized plants of less than two years old from initial fig C0l0r-Ilghtbfln1a11tYellOW (Hear 5 Y propagation and which were grown under 85% shaded v nursery conditions in the Winter Garden, Fla. area and g z color'iDark purphsh red (10 RP 3/6)- wherein temperatures range approximately from 6()85 degrees F. during the winter months and from 75 degrees to 95 degrees F. during the summer months. The following is a general description of a plant of the new variety that was propagated from a stem cutting and which was taken in the month of November about 80-90 days after the cutting was first planted in a nursery at 1. The new and distinct plant variety of the milkweed family as described and illustrated and which is principal- Q ly distinguished by a growth habit which combines the following characteristics: (1) larger diameter stems than those of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety and which in color are dominated by purple, purplish red, red, reddish brown Winter Garden, Fla. and/ or pink hues prior to becoming glaucous; Stem: (2) leaves with petioles that in color are dominated by (A) Length.About 9 inches. purple, purplish red, red, reddish brown, pink and/ (B) No. of n0des.6 plus 2 with embryonic leaves. or yellowish pink hues prior to becoming glaucous, (C) Diameter.-Ranges from about 1 /2 min. at tip and with leaf blades that are somewhat broader than to about 4 mm. near the rooted cutting. those of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety, that are variegated in patterns characteristic of the Hoya carnosa Exotica variety, that have an albino center area which in color is dominated during immaturity by purplish pink; purplish red, red and/ or yellowish pink hues, and that have a green border area which is overcast during early immaturity with color endowing the border area to the ordinary eye with a blackish and/ or brownish appearance; and (3) an inflorescence that has a peduncle color dominated by purplish red, red and/or reddish brown hues prior to becoming glaucous, a pedicel color dominated by purplish red and/or red hues, a sepal color dominated by purplish red, red and/or reddish brown hues, a petal which in color at its upper epidermal side is dominated by purplishpink and/ or pink hues and which in color at its lower epidermal side is dominated by a'purplish-red hue. No references cited. ROBERT E. BA'G-WI'LL, Primary Examiner

Christine Burton complained constantly that this hoya bloomed pale pink for her, like every other carnosa she'd ever had or seen....claims she got it from multiple sources, but it never once bloomed white....I don't know--don't have it, never seen it....