Thought on Al's soil mix theory
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Al's Soil Mixes and Fetilization Quesitons
Comments (13)I use either medium or coarse perlite with no apparent difference in results. The 'balls' of gypsum are actually 'prills'. They make a slurry of gypsum powder & a binder, then shoot it from a prilling tower. It forms tiny spheres called prills as it falls. The little balls will quickly dissolve. If you're mixing the 24-8-16 @ 1/2 strength, you only use 1/8 tsp per gallon of fertilizer solution of Epsom salts and STEM each time you fertilize. I'm not sure where you came up with the 3 & 5 Tbsps. If added to a gallon of water along with the fertilizer, that would assuredly kill the plants. You need to be very cautious about micronutrients because the range between deficiency and toxicity levels is much narrower than it is for the macros and secondary macros. You're better off to not use STEM and rely on the MG and soil to supply everything than you are to overuse the STEM. Al...See More8 bags of potting soil ready to go, and NOW I find Al's mix!!
Comments (3)Al's mix isn't necessary - it is just the mix he uses, and he uses it because it offers excellent aeration and longevity you won't find in a peat/compost-based soil. Al is selling aeration - not his soil. ;o) He would be the last one to guarantee better results, but he's not shy about saying that the chances of achieving better results, and growing plants that live up to their potential are greater in a durable, well-aerated soil than they would be in a heavy peaty/composty, water-retentive soil. He also warns that the price to be paid for growing in these types of soils comes in the form of more frequent watering and fertilizing, but your plants will likely appreciate your extra efforts. If you read a few posts scattered throughout the forum, you'll find plenty of people who embrace the idea of a well-aerated soil, and a few who would be just as pleased if they could come here & not have to listen to the frequent conversation about it. You'll have to decide what you think, but his hope is that you learn something from some of the things he shares, even if you decide the soils aren't suited to your style of growing or your needs. Turface is a great product & you'll see it discussed here frequently. It's interchangeable with perlite to the degree that they increase soil porosity to roughly the same degree on a size to size basis, but Turface far surpasses perlite in it's internal porosity, so it holds more water. It also has an excellent CEC, so holds nutrients better than Turface. The reasons are varied, but I generally use perlite exclusively in container soils I consider short term - 1 year probable, two years max. For soils I intend to press into two years service (or more) from the beginning, I use a combination of Turface and crushed granite to make up approximately 2/3 of the volume of the soil with the remainder usually pine or fir bark. The variations on the theme are many. Al...See MoreNew nursery looking for thoughts on container soil mix
Comments (11)I would agree with Rhizo and Calistoga... this is the base of your business, the root of it so to speak, and if you want to build a good reputation for producing and selling a good, healthy product, you ultimately have to spend a little in order to make it all come together as you want it to. I would recommend doing some reading and research before embarking upon your venture. "Container Soils - Water Movement & Retention XVII" is a great place to begin. You can usually find this article on the first page of this forum. Container growing is vastly different than growing in a garden, so you'll want to address the needs of plants specifically grown in containers. Poor soil can make or break you as a nursery. When I buy plants from any source, or am mixing my own mediums, my preference is a fir bark based, gritty, larger particled, fast draining medium that won't hold a perched water table, and won't require re-potting on a yearly basis, which ultimately saves money, labor, and time. Save the organic methods for the garden... go for a more inorganic approach to container growing. You want to control what happens within those containers, including moisture, plant nutrition, light, etc... it's best to have your information firmly in hand before you begin this sort of business, or you'll fail before you ever get going. I run a small niche business selling plants, and before I begun, I made sure I had a business plan, and I made sure I knew what I was doing... from the soil up. You really don't want to flounder around without an understanding of plants or their requirements, from a more scientific angle. Tapla's article will help you get there, I believe. It helped me more than I can say. A green thumb is nothing more than applied knowledge. Happy Growing!...See MoreSoil, Watering, Fertilizer and questions for Al (tapla)
Comments (24)Finally I got all the ingredients for the gritty mix, to my surprise, the hardest to find is the pine bark fine(I still did not find it). I am using the Repti Bark for now (a little pricy -$19.99 for a 24 quart bag). But do not want to wait any more, will use Repti Bark for now whereas keep looking for I Pine bark fines. Well, I have to say the particle size of Turface and Gran-I-Grit is smaller than I thought although I saw so many pictures on GW. I still do not have Foliage Pro 9-3-6, But I got Osmocote Outdoor & Indoor plant food. The ratio is 19-6-12 ( close to 9-3-6), is that ok for now (Will order Foliage Pro from internet later. I got some Jade Plant, Christmas Cactus, Spider Plant and Some NOID succulents cuttings before I found all the ingredients. I put them in the Miracle Grow Potting Mix and they rooted already. But like most people find out already, the bagged potting mix is so hard to water when it drys - the water just stay on the top of the soil. I was repotting them (except the spider plant) into the new gritty mix this afternoon. I did not even screen the Turface and Gran-I-Grit as I have not gotten the hardware cloth to make the filter yet. But I did shake the bag before I opened the Turface to hope the smaller particles will fall to the bottom. This is how it looks after I mix the three ingredients. Follow the tradition, a dime in the center Then put the mix and Osmocote into a soaked pot, water it well until water come out from the drainage hole. Soak the cutting that grown in the bagged potting mix, Remove most of the soil from the root - but not all - intimated by afraid broke the root. Put the plant into the gritty mix. It is actually hard to make a proper hole to put the roots in - the gritty mix is heavy so they keep falling into the hole you make for the roots. Final results: How do they look? Am I doing it right. I also have some Spider plant rooted, not sure is gritty mix good for them too. I had the impression that gritty mix is very good for woody plant, but Spider plant is somewhat herb? Should I put them in 5:1:1 mix. (I do not think I will make 5:1:1 mix though, since pine bark fines are not available and Repti bark is pricy). Also, Does anybody know the ID for the two plants on the last picture (the one that not Christmas Cactus or Jade Plant) And if anybody knows where to find pine bark fines in new England area, please let me know. Thanks....See Moreewwmayo
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