Then why don't mine work that way? My Crassulaceae from Africa flower Nov. Dec. trough May, in Africa they flower from June through December. This I have proof of, I have been getting the African Journal, as well as the British Journal, my San. are starting to flower again, while Africa's are shuting down. East coast is different than West coast just like here. Mountain plants if cold are going to sleep except for Winter growing plant like Semps. I don't know how yours grow and can only respond how mine grow in So. Calif zone 10. Yes when are days are longer in the summer, Africa's days are shorter at the same time and in rains, and they grow when it rains and store water for the months it doesn't rain, Nov. through May. You are right Africa has less light during June through December, and we have less light Oct through May, light does make the difference no matter what months it comes in, plants don't know months, they do not adjust that rapidily, I have had and grown Crassulacea and other species of African plants and they have not adjusted yet. How long should I wait? I was in Africa Nov. 9 and found Crassla barbata (red flower) in full flower, it was not in flower here and didn't flower until Feb. March. Norma

Living in Wisconsin I do adore so many different trees. But my Mom had a gorgeous flowering mini crab apple tree that in spring would smell so wonderful, like almost a musky Hibiscus type scent that would last about 4 weeks. The fruit on this tree was about as small as a pea and was very abundant as the tree itself in bloom would look like one big huge flower on it's own. But most of the pea sized apples that would never have any issues with scabbing or insects would stay on the tree through the winter that would be a #1 staple of the bird life that never flew south for the winter time as my Mom would also have bird houses and Cardinals would stay along with Red Winged Black Birds and others. When the trees were flowering they would attract so many butterflies, humming birds and honey bees, that the next door neighbor would surly get his fill from, and even offer up honey to my Mom, otherwise he wouldn't have had so much honey and bees wax to sell at the farmers market. But unfortunately in 2012, my Mom's condo association voted on removing her wonderful bird and furry ground fellows tree (Yes! Also the squirrels of at least 3 to 5 different kinds would take advantage of all of the tiny apples that had fell to ground, along with chipmunks and some other furry ground animals, so I never did see what the big deal was. They had said that tree had made a mess. Well I beg to differ, and the closing vote was neighbor that actually got kicked out by the banks foreclosure no more than 4 months later. Now my 2nd favorite tree would be the lilac tree, not the bush but the actual tree. I remember when I had one right outside my bedroom window and the scent of lilacs would come in through out the lilac season, and my Dad had planted them to flower 2 weeks apart from each other, so I had that scent in my bedroom going for a good 4-6 weeks long at least! Now Wisconsin has a law in place that no one is allowed and will be fined if they are to plant any sort of troublesome tree. One big one being the darn Cotton Wood Tree. And for those that have them on their land that are in neighborhoods that clog up gutters and fly over to parks in which the fire departments HAVE to do a controlled burn to keep them from growing out of control every single year. This junk get into your air filters and in your cars, garages, homes and all over the place. I really hate these trees, and I just don't understand why people would take advantage of free removal by the city, especially if they have a fire place, free wood to burn for them for the winter time. And now these trees are huge! It's just unreal what you pull out of your gutters every year. Even though we want to enjoy our spring times and not have our usual floods as that is what usually happens here, but when you have Cotton Wood trees, you almost beg for rain every day so these seeds will only drop on the owners home and not yours when floating through the air and causing allergies with watery eyes, sneezing and being all stuffed up from just trying to enjoy the outside, which is impossible when you have a cantankerous neighbor that just won't take down that damn tree, even though it almost looks like it's 1/2 way dead anyway. Maybe some day it will get hit by lightning, and then he will have to use his home owners insurance to fix what ever damage it has caused and Karma will win in end. Just because he didn't do right by others. I know if I bought property, I would surely call the city and have them come and take it down as soon as they were able. And one more tree I don't care for all that much for at all either, is the Maple tree and for some reason, the seeds or what some people call whirly birds or helicopters I think they are a real pain in ars and for some reason the are falling off all year long and are green and slimy. Leaving the steps and landings all stained with this slimy mess so you can't even sit down and dry your hair naturally in the nice weather. And sometimes they even drop in clumps but when they do that they are too heave and drop onto the lawn, or what ever is left of it, when it rains it's a muddy mess on that side. I am doing my best to get the heck out of here, but I have some issues I need take care of right away! Heath issues that are stopping me from doing the simplest tasks. I never thought I'd need to be calling the HDRC for help like this. But I need to get out of here. Plus I just got a letter from my land lord that my rent is going up (only by $5.00) but still, I've been here for 14 years now. And I have been so unhappy and haven't had a single update done since I move in here. Sorry for over sharing, but she knows she has me over a barrel here, I have 3 auto immune disorders and many other medical issues that she used to be very empathetic to and I don't know what's happened to her now. She just no longer cares anymore at all! Now my Thyroid is effecting me. I knew years ago they found a nodule on my thyroid, but I went to a specialist and he said it's very common. My Dr. then always kept up with the testing. He now moved and I'm left with this flippent woman of a GP that is only in it for the money. Need to get rid of her now, and see if I can get a blood test tomorrow while I'm at the hospital anyway with 2 appts. back to back. I did feel so sorry for my Mom, she not only had a shade tree that she loved watching her birds every morning, but it was also a tree that gave her some privacy from her kitchen window and I think that was totally unfair for them to just take that away from her. She loves wildlife and birds, and loved waking up to it, watching and hearing the Cardinals and seeing all of the beautiful butterflies and other germinating creatures. Even the honey bees seemed very docile and as if they were trained to be non violent and just be busy worker bees along with all of the humming birds of every color of the rainbow that would stay still just long enough to make out their colors, I even saw a turquoise one, my favorite color. I went on google maps and they really need to update their pictures. That tree is still there on Google maps. I couldn't believe that when I saw that. Oh well, It's been awhile and they must have taken that picture right before they took that tree down. All I see is people raving about how much the love those trees and how glad they are they chose them. Mom moved in when that tree was a bit young yet. I wish I could turn back time, and announce her neighbors were being kicked out by the bank. That would have changed things a lot back then. They wouldn't have had a voice or a leg to stand on. And I believe the bank would have said "Keep that tree!" It only adds to the curb appeal and beauty for the next buyers. Oh well, to late now, Thanks for taking the time to read this. And God Bless to all those that have or have chosen the Mini Crab Apple Trees, you know what I'm talking about!

Crabjoe, your missing the point. This group is not a catolog or seed warehouse. The assession list lists every seed donated. Most may only be a dozen seed. All available information on the seed is written down. What is listed is not all the information it doesn't have to be, it is not advertizement for the variety and they are not for sale. If additional information is needed the requester of the seed can simply ask and should ask since they are growing out the seed as part of a research project.This started as a research project on southern culture by the Anthropology Dept of the University of Ga. and has resulted in a spinoff in the seed preservation area. There is no paid staff the people who run this are students working on various undergarduate and graduate degrees and it is headed by the founders who are ardent seed savers with a desire to preserve the seeds they were given. The farm was purchased and donated to the program and volunteers plant the seeds given at this farm. It is not large by any means my home garden is larger than the grow out areas on this farm. People who join pay a donation to fund this seed saving effort not to recieve any material reward. Seed is offered to members to grow out in a controlled scientific enviroment. There is a form that is signed stating you will grow out this seed maintaining notes on all aspects of the grow out.You must have a knowledge of seed saving and isolation requirements and use that knowledge to preserve the seed in its original form and return 1/3 of the new seed to the seed bank. In my opinion the vast majorty of peole who request seed have no knowledge at all of seed preservation and have only a desire to obtain seed for there own purpose and do not return any seed to the bank. Of the varieties listed you can request up to five to grow out a year, you may get 3 or 4 possible five it all depends on what is available. If the bank has only a handfull of seed. That seed is not indescrimately given away to someone in Maryland or Califonia just because they donated $25. That is irresponsible and would result in the lost of a unique piece of our Southern heritage. Seed that has been previously grown out by responsible preservationists is the seed someone would recieve. It only makes sense these are the varieties that there is sufficient seed of to give out. So on the apple question. I have no idea on why it is there and it could very well be a tomato seed called red delicious apple. If that seed interests you give them a call and find out the history behind it. I also want to say I do not work for or represent the organization in any professional manner other than as a member with a sincere desire to maintain my southern heritage and I am supportive of the efforts of this dedicated group of people who spend there time mapping the cultures of the rural south. So to answer your question. 1)Yes, it's nice seeds can be past down from one generation to the next, but for all we know, the cantaloupe submitted might be Hale's best (seeds seem to be everywhere). yes it could very well have been hales best. That variety has been around for decades and was very popular in the 40s and 50s as a commercial melon. One aspect of our southern food culture is if a fruit or vegetable has a good taste keep the seed and plant it. This could very well have been how this melon started, as a store bought melon 50 years ago that had a good taste seed was saved and the rest is history. If your interested in a name brand melon I can list several catologs where you can purchase one. If your intersted in doing a grow out of this melon and doing a side by side comparision with Hales best to determine the true cultivar or even if the melon has merit and your willing to document the findings. Then please request information on this melon and request seed to grow out.Then submit your finfings so that it can be added to the data base on the variety. 2)For a group that suppose to be saving seeds, I feel they need to set some strict guidelines on seed submission and also, not just post anything that gets submitted. As a scientific project with no Bias and an obligation to preserve the seed as presented by the giver it would be unethical to alter any information or set such guidelines. The mission of the group is to document southern cultural practices with no prejudice and record those findings. Any and all seed, scion wood, etc is accepted with what ever information can be obtained and responsible people are solicited to grow out these seed and document any information about the seed that can be obtained. Southern Legacy Seeds is not an Heirloom seed catolog. 3)Look the the apple seeds... Someone, not knowing how apples pollinate, gets the seeds for the red delicious apple. They then plant and and waits years for fruit; to get not even a red apple, but possibly a crab apple. That's a cruel joke to play on someone Someone with out the knowlegde of apple trees probably would not be giving the seed.And if they were according to the agreement they signed stating they understood the conditions for recieving the seed, In 8-10 years when the tree set fruit they would note in their report the varietal differences the seeds have.As a side note apples are not the only outcrossing fruit or vegetable and many of our seed vegetables and fruits such as beans and tomatoes, even though they are self fertile, will cross if not grown using proper isolation. The original red delicious apple was not red but was green with red stripping. I have seen and tasted the original red delicious. It is the commercial aspect of our countries food industry that turned the red delicious into a bland, mealy, solid red fruit, that will keep for a year and that when preservatives and artificial flavorings are added becomes quite palatable. The crab apple is native to North America and through natural and selective crossing with European apples have made the American apple varieties of the last few centuries some of the top apples in the world. I can't understand why anyone would want a large perfect blemish free product marketed as an apple when they can have a smaller distorted more colorful but exploding with flavor real American apple.And it is because of someone, such as the person who donated the apple seed to the Southern Legacy Seed Project, why we have so many wonderful old variety apples in this country. Rodger

Nothofagus exists fairly high in the hills but is only hardy to zone 7. Possibly Podocarpus nivalis var.erectus (mountain totara) and/or Podocarpus hallii (Hall's totara.) P.nivalis is low-growing, like a parahebe, and is sub-alpine on screes. It rears up to about a metre. var.erectus gets to about 3m. P. hallii is a stocky tree that is found in groups, with a fairly diverse understorey. Definitely found at the south end. Dacrydium laxifolium is another sprawler, found in boggy places up to 1500m. Phyllocladus alpinus (mountain celery pine) - up tp 1500m and found right down to Foveaux Strait. It can get to 8m but more like 1.5m in the alpine zone. (A personal favourite. I really like the leaves.) All of these are conifers. Stewart Island is not exactly bleak. On the south coast it is windswept but around Paterson's Inlet there is bush and grasses right down to the water's edge. It gets cold but the sea stays open; no ice. (Too windy!) I'm a bit shaky on the botany of the sub-Antarctic islands - eg Campbell Island. I'd suspect, though, that shrubs are more likely. I regret I haven't a link for you but you may choose to look up The New Zealand Forest and Bird Society. I was also going to suggest "Otari/Wilton Bush" but the direction in the phone book is vague. However, Otari is a native plant museum with a huge range of specimens, based in Wellington.