Need advice for offer on lot
misscodymom
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Need help on an offer for lot
Comments (7)Pay for an appraisal. It shouldn't cost more than few hundred dollars. The appraiser (not the same as real estate assessor setting tax value nor a real estate agent doing a CMA both of which will be different values, for different purposes) will know how to find best comps and explain to you how his appraisal was done. (You may or may not wish to share the results with the seller.) It's very important to the value (when considering a lot-sized parcel) to know what is currently permissible in terms of putting a house on it. Get clued in, as well, to any pending changes in your local land use regs. Get it directly from planning and zoning officials, not just what everybody "knows". There is also a considerable difference between "raw" lands and lots with subdivision approval, i.e. those with studies done to know water and septic capacity, build-able soils, surveyed boundaries, etc. As Weedy said, increases in acreage above the minumum need for a house do not scale directly ( i.e. twice as much as the minimum does mean twice as valuable). And twice as big as minumum does NOT always mean a potential to subdivide into two residential lots. There are often other considerations such as overall lot density, shape and frontage when considering dividing a small parcel into two lots even when there appears to be enough acreage to do so.. Be prepared that the seller has heard that "somebody" has gotten X number of thousands per acre for a lot somewhere in your town and is not knowledgeable enough about real estate to know that he can't just multiply his acreage by that figure to come up with a price. I'll give you an example: several years ago we were interested in buying a 125 acre parcel behind our woodlot, (this parcel has no frontage on the road.) In the priciest section of our town there is a development with paved streets, in-ground utilities, public water and sewer, overlooking a large body of water, and deed-restricted only to large luxury homes on half- acre lots. These lots sell for 100K apiece. So our neighbor multiplied the 125 acres by 2 and then by 100K, arriving at a potential sale price of $25,000,000. Never mind that the land he was selling is landlocked (has no road frontage, we own entirely around it already) and is mostly on the other side of a very steep ravine that's nearly 300 feet deep. It has NO development potential because of these natural barriers, and is perhaps worth $100/acre for the timber value, but only to us as there is no way to remove the timber without crossing our land. We begged the guy to get his own agent (who could explain reality to him) but he wanted to save the "commission". So we paid for an appraisal (less than $500 bucks) from the local Farm Credit Agency (they have deep expertise in vacant and timber land). The appraisal turned out to be exactly what I expected ($10-15K) with the timber being the only value, not the land. Needless to say, he still owns the property, and we still enjoy looking at it and walking on it, for free. Eventually this fellow's executors may have a better grasp on things and a deal can be made. Or not. The seller is older than us by a decade, but we are not young, either. Sellers who say "make me an offer" are often unrealistic and have never taken the trouble to do the "work" of being a seller - and want to shift that responsibility to you. Keep in mind that a FSBO (sale w/o a realtor) eliminates the commission, so some price concessions ought to be made to take that into account. However going without an agent means some (or both) parties will have more work to do to get the deal closed. Ideally who ever is doing the "work" should benefit from the lack of commission. If the seller is entirely passive, then the buyer should get a good price break to recompense them for the effort to get the docs drawn up, filed, various checks for clear title, survey etc. I'd always have my lawyer read any contract, before signing, no matter what. Also there is something here in NY called a land contract which is an installment land sale. Be sure you get legal advice about how that works in your state. Be sure you understand who owns (and pays taxes on and is the legally responsible party) during the installment phase. The interest rate you quote seems very high to me. Can you can an unsecured loan from your credit union or bank, or a home equity LOC? Both would seem cheaper for you and give you undisputed legal ownership from the moment of purchase. Land contracts can result, in the event of default, in losing all the equity you have paid in. There maybe income tax benefits, as well, in financing through a bank or a HELOC rather than private debt. I would use installment buying only as the last resort. HTH L....See MoreMaking an Offer on an Unimproved Lot--that is overpriced plse hel
Comments (37)Well...all in all the best piece of advice I got on this forum was about re-perking. So when I make my offer which will be conditional on certifying and pumping out the septic, there is the chance it won't be certifiable so I would have to reperk and either remove and/or install a new one, which should lower the price accordingly. I am perplexed by many of the other answers. I feel I got great advice from professionals and on an appraisers site, and have a game plan that makes sense to me. I am a little perplexed why some answers seem hostile and wonder if they are from folks who were or are selling houses and lost money in recent years, who knows. Clearly he overpriced his lot, per the comp I found and per the buyers agent. But if I think about how to maximize my chances of conveying this, it will be after he sells his lake lot (which is fairly priced unlike this inside lot or moms house), and may be more receptive. All his stuff has been sitting for two years. For all I know the listing agent, who lives near the city and only knows this particular neighborhood because her boyfriend has some property here...for all I know she likes having her sign posted on his overpriced lot as free advertising and doesn't encourage him to lower the price. Neither agent has spent more than a few minutes with me on the phone so nobody has to feel sorry for the agents involved. I will be back in a few months to let you know how it turned out meanwhile we are also looking this month at the other area we like a few hours away. Thanks again....See MoreNeed advice on unsolicited offer
Comments (23)If this were a "normal" listing and you had a listing agent, a 5% total commission is not unheard of in today's market which would be split between the listing and selling agents. What has this person done to "earn" a full 5%, by bring a buyer to the table? You will still have cost, such as your own RE attorney, closing agent, etc.. This realtor is not going be looking out for you! She is only looking out for her buyers and HERSELF, and that's a fact supported by RE law. The problem for RE agents in today's world is the amount of info. that is available to an educated buyer. In some states you can access everything a buyer needs to know about an area, neighborhood, and individual property, etc, via the internet. In others, it is a little harder and one must go the city or county records to get the info. I have seen very few RE agents that ever go to that level for their clients. I have yet see a RE agent provide a cost/ benefit of their fee structure. I would venture to say that this agent kept the info. on your house in a file or spread sheet and waited until the "right" buyer came a long. I will bet you a dollar to donut hole, that she was not actively marketing your house for 2 years without a contract from you. Worst thing I have even seen are TV adds, in a major metro market area, by a realtors association, trying to scare people into the fact that they are not educated enough to sell there own home. It's a real sham. Good luck...See MoreHad 3 offers for home, none of them proceeded. Need Advice.
Comments (8)We are under contract with the second people to view our home and everything is proceeding well. However, we were also under contract last year after just about the time you've been on the market. (Unfortunately the deal fell through due to an unforeseen problem which the inspection turned up.) Anyway, our experience last year as first-time sellers taught us a lot. There are definitely lulls. In fact, we're learning something even this time around. Last year, we had tons of traffic for about a week, but no offers. This was excellent traffic for our area. Then... NOTHING for 5 weeks. Zero showings. Then a decisive drop in price, and showing activity picked up, multiple offers. However, we were never sure that it was the new price which drove the increase in traffic. Showings dropped off at a point when apparently everything dropped off everywhere, and our price change coincided with a pick-up throughout the area. This year, we decided to go in closer to our lower price, but still about $10K above our final contract last year, even though the market is about the same around here this year. We got a full price very "clean" offer in about half a week (which is insanely fast for my area.) The agent took his time changing the status of the property, and we have heard that in that time, we got no requests for showings, despite the property appearing to still be completely available. School's about to end around here, or has ended in some places. This is a bit earlier than we went on the market last year, and I think this is yet another time of year when everything in the area drops off. If you are worried about people wondering what is "wrong" with your house - I would include an artfully worded statement in my public remarks, something to the effect of "Buyer financing fell through, back on market." I see this sometimes. It's better not to have something like that, if you can help it, but if need be it can help to off-set a negative impression. This post was edited by lizzie_nh on Mon, Jun 16, 14 at 15:46...See Moremisscodymom
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