Kristine, let us know if they will ship. I want to get a few roses I missed from them last yr.

Check with longagoroses as well. I'm not positive, but I think she has it .

Thanks Alana, I will check.

I'll try giving a Agave a call this morning and see what they have to say hopefully they ship there's a ton of roses on there that I would love to have.

I just got an email from Agave Farms and they will have purple lodge available in the fall. I just asked them if they ship so I will let you know what they say to that question.

Alana, They do not have purple lodge listed so I messaged them and asked if they do and then I looked down and saw that they don't ship to Oregon so even if they did carry it I wouldn't be able to get it here.

How about Burlington?

I think in another thread someone said they contacted Burling and she doesn't have any available yet. She might have a waiting list tho. She said she'd put me on a waiting list for some roses I want that won't be available til Fall. Worth asking her anyway.

Will check, thanks

Burlington said that they may have it this fall that would be great.

I’m on Burling’s waiting list. :-)

With Burlington?

Yes. Edited... I’m on Burling’s waiting list. :-)

Well maybe I better get myself on that waiting list too lol

I was searching for something completely unrelated.

Now I’m about to email Burling late on a Friday night.

I blame all of you.

Too funny JC! And FYI it’s hardy here in the cold :)

So, Ludwig doesn't ship to the US?

Where is Agave Farms located? I found several - is it a nursery carrying other plants or a rose nursery?

It’s in Phoenix. I don’t think they are shipping any longer though. They carry other things, not just roses.

I’m in JC’s camp....my thumbs actually hurt from researching all the roses and hostas I find on this forum!

contact Burlington, I'm getting Purple Lodge from her this year

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=17.18773

http://burlingtonroses.com/

thanks, modestgoddess!

Is it too early to order for 2020? I still haven't received my 2019 orders yet ha

@Kristine LeGault 8a pnw I know this is an old thread, but I am ordering a custom propagation of Purple Lodge from Freedom Roses. It is $30 plus shipping ($30 for up to three plants). Peter is a one man operation with a great reputation. I’m ogling all the wonderful roses he carries and will likely order three different roses. It is a bit of a wait, but it will be a good product. Did you find Purple Lodge somewhere else by now?

I’d check Burlington, I believe she carries Purple Lodge. Long Ago Roses does too, but she no longer ships West. I just pruned mine yesterday and my Purple Lodge’s branches are mixed with a hundred other roses, otherwise you’d be welcome to cuttings.

I also got my Purple Lodge from Burlington

I thought I tried Burlington in 2021 and was told they are no longer shipping roses. Maybe that changed? I swore she said she was closing or retiring or something.

No Burling is definitely still shipping, I know folks that got plants from her quite recently. There was a period of time where she needed funding to get her well drilled deeper, fortunately that came through (it’s always a water issue in California!)

Oursteelers,

My plant acutally came from MojaveMaria, she saw a post where I was looking for Purple Lodge and she sent me her plant as an Easter present, that was incredibly kind of her.

How is Purple Lodge for all of youy ou? ? Size? Disease resistance, etc? It looks incredibly. gorgeous on HMF.

Robert, thank you for the information. I did get a Purple Lodge from Burlington.

So far it's a good rose. I think that it is prettier up close than from a distance. This is year 3 so I expect it to be even better .

It's a bit darker in person

Thanks @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) I bet I had contacted her during that time you mentioned. It’s been off my radar ever since.

@Kristine LeGault 8a pnw it’s beautiful! How does it compare to Munstead Wood (flower only, fragrance, etc) in your opinion?

Burling's 2022 rose list does not list it, but I would give her a call and see. I got mine from her in May 2020. I kept it in a small pot through the summer and planted in the fall. I don't fertilize the first year so mine is not that far along. It was 42"x24" in Dec. 2022 in z5a WI. The early blooms are more crimson than purple.

Robert, no comparison to Munstead, so atleast not so far.

Munstead has larger blooms that look better from a distance. To me, and this is just my opinion, Purple Lodge doesn't look good from a distance but up close the bloom color is beautiful.

She is still young so that could change, hopefully this year.

Purple Lodge is healthy and bloomy and I cant remember fragrance. Hopefully someone can chime in on fragrance.

I would love to hear everyone else's opinion on this rose.

That's super helpful @Kristine LeGault 8a pnw! In some photos they look awfully similar. I love MW, but I have yet to detect ANY fragrance on her in anyone's garden, and I don't have any issue detecting fragrance in roses. It just surprises me that I always miss it! I love her blooms tho, and I'd keep her even if I never smell it. Purple Lodge looked like a potential rival, but it seems that it is actually a fairly large rose at maturity, and so I may hold off on getting her.

I have one in the ground and two in pots. It reblooms very well. It's not immune to bs but is not terribly prone to it either. Mine is not a tall grower. The one in the ground in am sun is about 2 1/2' tall and one in a pot is about 3 1/2' tall. I have thought of it at times as Burgundy Lodge rather than Purple Lodge but later last summer it was truly purple. Blooms are a moderate size and full of petals.

Robert, My Munstead Wood has a very beautiful fragrance. I can definitely smell the fragrance when walking by. It is my favorite rose out of all the roses that I have. In color, Dark Desire is very close, but a different more tea rose form. When Munstead fades it is about the color of Twilight Zone in my garden in cooler conditions.

I've got to share this nutty bouquet with you. We had record breaking heat, followed by a prematurely cold fall. The roses went a little nuts, and the Twilight Zone that grows between two Munsteads produced this insane 6-7 inch bloom that's squashing the roses beneath it. It was hilarious to see. Diane, off topic

NOLA, it's hard to beat Munstead for color, repeat blooms and I get terrific fragrance from mine.

The blooms on Purple Lodge are smaller but I get nice clusters.

I just purchased a Purple Lodge from Burlington late last summer. It was too close to Fall to get blooms before dormancy so I’m very excited for my first this Spring!

The more I observe 'Purple Lodge' in my garden and see the photos others in the US are posting of it, the more suspicious I am that the rose being sold in this country is not the "ORA2437" rose that's being sold in Europe as 'Purple Lodge' and 'Palais Biron' and in New Zealand as 'Purplelicious'.

The photos from Europe and New Zealand show quartered blooms that open flat, many with a button-eye that sometimes shows a lighter color on the reverse of the petals. It blooms in fat clusters of mauve and violet, sometimes magenta, and has short, possibly fuzzy sepals that peel back neatly to reveal dark pink buds.

The plant I'm growing (and seeing in other photos from the US) blooms in very double rosettes, often with stamens prominent in an open center, never with a button-eye. The color is usually shades of crimson with violet or black highlights (that frequently fade to liver brown shades in my experience!) The sepals are distinctly glandular and extend dramatically past the black-red buds with a lovely feathery point when the bud is still closed or is just opening.

I'm attaching photos of a young 'Purple Lodge' plant I encountered in Paris in 2017 (growing in a maybe 2 gallon pot outside a flower shop) and of the plant I bought from Burling in 2020. Both are young plants, but I see no sign that my rose is ever going to produce a bloom that looks like the one I saw in Paris...which more closely resembles photos of the plants grown under this name in Europe and NZ.

However, I noticed the photo on Ludwig's Roses website looks a bit familiar: open centered, prominent stamens, and even a glimpse of the glandular and longer sepals. Is it possible the rose Ludwig's is selling as 'Purple Lodge' is not 'ORA2347'? I haven't checked with Burling on the origin of her plant, but Ludwig's appears to have been the first source of 'Purple Lodge' in the US, and I would be surprised if Burling reimported it.

Am I crazy, or is anyone else wondering about these differences? And certainly, both could be true! :)

Rose in Paris:

Rose in my garden:

John

I have got to stop reading rose threads! I just added a Purple Lodge to my Spring order from Burling. Where the heck am I gonna put it is a question I can’t answer lol-

the pictures are sooo gorgeous tho - I am super excited and not one bit repentent about falling onto rose temptation yet again

@John (PNW zone 8)

both roses are so pretty - when I get some blooms off mine coming this Spring from Burling I am going to check your pictures to see which one it resembles

My Purple Lodge (own root in ground) is 3 years old, at the end of season was 42"x24" in z5a WI. HMF lists it as 3x2. I'm curious to know how large others have grown and in what zone? Kristine, I think we planted ours about the same time (Fall 2020). :)

My PL here is probably 3 ft at the most too, Nola. Let's hope Kristine's is more vigorous. I was surprised mine is so wimpy.

I'm surprised at that too Sheila in your warm zone. I'm getting a soil test done this year, maybe that will make a difference. How's your angry cat doing? The pictures were so beautiful! :)

Mine is probably less than 3 feet and it did that right away but it blooms pretty well. Blooms are on the smaller side and the color is much better up close.

Hopefull that this year I will get some of those gorgeous blooms like Erasmus has. It has been very healthy but skinny whimpy canes.

Nola, "Angry Juno" is doing great and is planted now in a gopher root cage. He is probably larger than Purple Lodge already. I cannot wait to see the blooms this year. They were so beautiful and the plant is so healthy.

My PL has RMV for sure.

Sheila, Have you always planted with gopher cages? How large does the cage/bag need to be? Glad to hear Angry Juno is doing well, please post when it's blooming, it's so beautiful!

I'm sorry your PL has RMV. I've had several people say it doesn't make a difference. but I have RMV on a grafted Golden Celebration, I received a replacement own root the next season and the own root is by far out growing and healthier than the RMV bush. Maybe it's just my garden.

Kristine, my PL is probably behind yours, I don't fertilize the first year (though I'll probably change that this year). I hope your cane's come back thicker and maybe you will share some photos? :)

I started these gopher cages about 2 years ago, Nola. I use them with new rose plantings, but have not retrofitted so far. I use a 5 gallon size that I place in the planting hole and center the rose in it. Once all the soil is filled in and growth occurs I'm sure it all grows through the basket, but a gopher cannot reach the crown of the plant. This gopher hassle is new to me. I gardened in Minnesota and Alaska and did not have these gophers there that I knew of.

Sheila, I didn't have gopher, vole, or deer problems when I gardened at my previous home, in a small Idaho town not far from here. But if you're in the country like we are now, all those things are a problem. Heck we even have the random lost moose. I think east of the Rockies, gophers aren't the problem--it's ground hogs and moles, maybe. I'm no expert. Alaska is a whole different thing.

When I looked at John's photos, very lovely, I thought at least one of them looked like my two Munstead Wood (third one down). Diane

Sheila, I've never had problems with those but I did see a vole running along the raised bed timber last summer and it struck fear into my heart. lol. I have quite a few roses coming this year and I'm wondering if it would be worth the cost and trouble to put the bags in. First it was problems with rabbits eating everything off, so I put a rabbit fence up. Then I saw a deer in my front yard and another in the backyard 10 foot from the house this winter, that's never happened before, so maybe I'll have bigger problems. I guess I could have a trench dug around the garden and have vole fencing put in maybe 2 foot deep.

Nola, I just don't know if is worth the effort either. I'm hoping for a colony collapse for these fricking voles. They definitely kill rose canes, but don't seem to kill the whole plant here. Rabbits hassle me too along with the gophers. I do have a deer fence which is a relief because deer abound here too. I guess I do not want to share with these critters. We have feral cats (I am allergic) and hawks.

I think Diane is right that I need badgers.

I do hope my plants can cope with life's travails.