River Rock Flower Bed For Hostas ?
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Comments (41)I have a gravel path (actually drain rock so larger) over landscape cloth. It is only about 3 years old and I know I will have to decide if I would rather use some kind of screen/wire to hold it away from the soil in the future, but for now I have a super thin layer of the rock so moving it to replace is mostly an one day pain in the rear. I get a few weeds in the stuff that lands on the rock and ends up on the weed cloth, but not that hard to pull a few weeds here and there. The walk goes right by the house so I don't want to use bark-fear of adding more termites, the gravel is hot enough, concrete would cook us and I can't see spending money on watering lawn (besides part it is over a leech field that I don't want to add that much water too anyway) I will probably start at one end with some kind of walkable ground cover, just have not had it that high on the to-do list to start on that yet. Living in Santa Barbara, the no water cacti gardens over lava rock front yards were common. Back in the day everyone seemed to want to have one. Guess if having painful to touch lava rock was not unfriendly enough adding cacti made it better..... I can top all of your plastic bits woes. My dad LOVED using black plastic. Plastic soil bags, Yellow heavy plastic.. grocery store plastic veggie bags. Perfect for killing weeds. right. He would put something on it to weight it down so it would not blow off, but over time leaves would fall and next thing you know, the plastic was gone. So he would add a new layer. After awhile he discovered that maybe picking up old sheets of vinyl might last longer. Of course that was harder to find. Then he hit on the mother load of free material to lay down on the yard. And even better, he could lay it upside down where he wanted people to walk and it would add traction on that slippery clay. And it would not blow away. Used carpet. Fun is trying to dig through loopy strands of carpet (the backing as long since vanished for the most part leaving miles of plastic/manmade yarn for you to pull. Hitting a layer of vinyl that pulls in up small rotten squares, Just to find layers of "lasagna gardening" gone wrong with multiple plastic layers. My point is to think about what you might end up doing in the future and just how hard it will be to undo what you are working on if you change your mind....See Morewant to use big river rocks in plant bed, what plants?
Comments (1)No one has responded to you in a month? Man this forum is dead! ^_^ I think herbs look good among big rocks... take at look at Lavender, Nepeta (catmint) and Agastache (hummingbird mint). If your drainage is good, you can also try succulents such as sedum, sempervivum, lewisia, etc....See MoreConverting River Rock Bed to Mulch (And Compost Question)
Comments (8)Okay first, you'll need to pull back those stones. If you don't have a 'hard rake' yet, invest in a good one. If you have one, and it's cheap, work with it until it breaks. If you need one, you will forever appreciate a good tool - get the best one you can afford. For a hard rake, you'll want one with 2 connecting points on the edges of the head (bow rake.) The type where the handle makes a single connection with the rake head is not designed for heavy materials, nor as good for long-term landscaping tasks such as moving stones or leveling beds (the back of a bow rake is perfect for moving a lot of dirt and putting a nice finishing touch on the project.) Get one that is size-appropriate for your height. These choices are what will take much of the drudgery and frustration out of already difficult jobs. Next, since it will be an ongoing project, break it down into stages. I do suggest that when it comes time to buy the plants, you buy all of the same varieties of plants at the same time. They can be like kitchen tiles. If you don't get the same exact shrub, at the same time, colors of both foliage and flowers may not match. Do all of one type at one stage, then later get all the next type, etc... If you have a decent size back yard, and can afford it, buy at least one extra of each shrub and plant it in an out of the way place, or in a spot where it can be moved later. It's not uncommon for a shrub to die, and a small investment ahead of time can save you headaches later if you need to fill something in. If you have so many plantings that this is financially a problem, skip it. Start with the rocks. Get a good size tarp, a wheelbarrow, and a round shovel. Start with pulling back the stones in the areas that will get the same plantings. Place the tarp on an out-of-the-way corner of the lawn and start dumping stones on half the tarp. Use the other half to fold back over to keep them clean and to keep the neighbors happy. This will kill the grass, so if you have extra driveway space, just dump them on the driveway and cover with the tarp. Keep removing more stones as you gather OM (see next paragraph.) Next step is to decide if you are going to buy the soil amendments, or build the soil yourself. Since you expressed a desire to build your own (the vastly cheaper route) begin piling on any organic matter you can. Either start a compost pile, or just start tossing on what OM you can gather on the now stone-free areas of the beds... or both. Some very cheap examples of OM resources are coffee houses (free,) wood chips from the companies that trim trees from power lines (free, or a small tip that makes them both happy to dump it where you need it, and happy to return with more,) kitchen scraps, grass clippings (learn how to compost these properly... a great source of organic matter, but a pain if not used correctly,) city leaf collections (even out of season, some cities use the same place each year and uncollected leaves piled up become what is called leaf mold... great stuff for lightening clay!,) and county dumps (many dumps in Tn. are now separating out all tree products and shredding them. They either give it away free, or sell it at reasonable prices to county residents.) There are many other sources for organic matter, just keep your eyes open and you might be surprised at what becomes available. Let it pile up high, and keep it pulled back a little (or really, just don't let it pile up too high) against any plant you want to keep. As it begins to break down (kept relatively moist, organic matter breaks down fast in Tn. My 8' of long grass and hay mulch on my garden beds broke down to an inch over the summer and was incorporated into the soil by the worms) add more and/or turn it into the soil (next paragraph.) Next you'll want to buy or borrow a 'garden fork'. You can use a shovel, but a good fork works better. At least once a year, and as often as every 1 - 3 months, turn the organic matter into the soil. If roots are in the way, you can keep it on top, or pull out the plantings that you don't want, and just mulch around what you want to keep. The worms will incorporate the organic matter into the clay around established plants, but it's a much slower process. If you did a good job at scrounging OM, you will be ready in a year or 2 for your new plantings. Of course, the longer you wait, the better, but strike a balance. When you dig clay, and turn in OM, the expansion of the volume can be surprising. Clay packs very tightly, once you begin to loosen it, you may quickly find you'll need to pull some out. This will depend on your desired level of the bed. When it comes time to remove the old plants, think about reusing them somewhere else, or use them as trade to get people to help. Lastly, decide what you do want as mulch. Organic mulches will continue to improve the soil and have many benefits. The downside is continual replenishment. Stones are fine, and when used with a weed barrier of some sort, look good and clean. The downsides are weeds that poke through when no weed barrier is used, the soil stays in a 'stasis', well-intentioned landscapers trying to weed eat around, or on top of stones inevitably break a window, and stones don't always stay in place... matching them, and replacing them ain't cheap. Anyway, that should get you started, and if you piddle around a little here and there, you'll be surprised at how fast removing the stones goes. BTW... a bbq gets family and friends more in the mood to help, and if you tackle the entire project in stages, the work for each step is nothing....See MoreRevamp a river rock bed patch overgrown with weeds...
Comments (2)Weed fabric and river rock are both disasters that I would never use! The majority of weeds seed into place - blown in on the wind or carried in on the feet or body of both people and wildlife - rather than come up from the soil under the fabric Plus the weed fabric prevents soil organisms (e.g. worms) from pulling organic matter into the soil and the worms leave to find somewhere where they can access the surface. Their tunnels - which provided routes for air and water to move through the soil - collapse. So the soil becomes dry, hard, and nutrient poor. Fallen leaves and other plant debris collect on the river rock and rot down to become soil that weed seeds germinate on The weed roots grow down through the weed fabric. To remove the weeds you need to move rocks out of the way and pull the weeds’ roots out of the weed fabric. VERY difficult to do. Probably the best thing you can do is remove the rocks and the weed fabric. If the area is shady enough to grow hostas, plant it with the largest hostas you can find, which will make a continuous row of large dense leafy cover to shade out weeds. If the area is too sunny for hostas, can you grow grass there right up to the house? Mowing grass is likely to be less work than constantly removing weeds. People have the totally unreasonable expectation that weed fabric and rocks are going to reduce work - but the combination almost always turns into a mess that creates MORE work!...See Moredigger96 4b MN
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