Dax, sorry just noticed your post here....regarding the use of 2 needled sylvestris understocks being compatible for 5 needled parviflora...It's just information that was passed onto me by one or two very experienced propagators here in the UK, can't say why it works, just seems to, and i have been useing them for about 10 years now with no ill affects so far as I am aware. I have also seen one or two older plants that also look fine.Apparently it will also work with other 5 needle pines, but not with Strobus. As Edwin says most European growers no longer use strobus understocks because of the root rot problems associated with them in container growing.

Edwin, Here is a translation done by a Czech friend of mine discussing the San Sebastian series long before the number approached 1000. Notice how they spell 'Babay'. Bob Pinus uncinata San Sebastian Series In the San Sebastian region of northern Bohemia Milan Halada discovered a marshy area with many specimens of Pinus x pseudopumilio, a hybrid of Pinus mugo and Pinus uncinata. He collected wood from a witchesÂ-broom known as San Sebastian #13, which he named ÂAdamÂ. Since then, he and a friend, Jan Beran, have returned many times and collected a variety of witchesÂ-brooms in this area. These are found throughout Europe and America as the San Sebastian Series. Some of these will become very popular while others will gradually disappear from cultivation. For reference purposes, the whole series is listed here with both the San Sebastian number and the given name for each plant. San Sebastian #1 not named 1982 50cm wide by 40cm high in 15 years San Sebastian #2 ÂBabay 1982 50cm wide by 40cm high in 15 years San Sebastian #3 ÂBraska 1982 50cm wide by 30cm high in 10 years San Sebastian #4 ÂBerhal 1982 50cm wide by 30cm high in 7 years San Sebastian #5 ÂBajaja 40cm wide by 30cm high in 7 years San Sebastian #6 ÂKarel 50cm wide by 30cm high in 13 years San Sebastian #11 ÂBonita 1989 40cm wide by 30cm high in 8 years San Sebastian #12 ÂSuk 1989 50cm wide by 50cm high in 8 years San Sebastian #13 ÂAdam 1989 35cm wide by 35cm high in 8 years San Sebastian #14 ÂAries 1985 30cm wide by 30cm high in 12 years San Sebastian #15 ÂNova 20cm wide by 10cm high in 12 years San Sebastian #16 ÂEva 1989 12cm wide by 10cm high in 8 years San Sebastian #18 ÂRusalka 1987 30cm wide by 20cm high in 10 years San Sebastian #19 ÂElectra 1989 50cm wide by 30cm high in 8 years San Sebastian #20 ÂNiva 1987 35cm wide by 40cm high in 10 years San Sebastian #21 ÂBohemia San Sebastian #22 ÂPopelka 25cm wide by 20cm high in 7 years San Sebastian #23 ÂSnehurka 1989 20cm wide by 20cm high in 7 years San Sebastian #24 ÂXenie 1987 25cm wide by 15cm high in 10 years San Sebastian #25 ÂBeran 25cm wide by 20cm high in 6 years San Sebastian #26 ÂMaja 30cm wide by 25cm high in 6 years San Sebastian #27 ÂArabela 1991 25cm wide by 23cm high in 7 years San Sebastian #28 ÂLidaÂ

Good discussion here and many valid points. I think much of this comes down to consideration of others. I could easily post twenty times a day asking various questions, showing time-lapse photos of cultivars, posting question threads, photos, etc. but I don't. I am aware that I am not the only person on the planet that matters and that posting too many photos becomes overwhelming and distracting to others. When it does become a bit of an unintentional problem is when there are 20 galleries that are spread out over several weeks/months that get bumped by 3-4 photos, then another user bumpers 2-3 galleries, etc. and all of the sudden the top 8 posts are galleries - even if they are created by different forum users and bumped by seperate people as well. As I've said before, from my end, I'll still post some photos from time to time, for sure some time-lapse photo series and make contributions/questions, but as to making/contributing to galleries that are going to get lost in the gallery section with one response, oblivious to most, I'm not going to waste my time. GARDENWEB: I DO SECOND SAM'S IDEA OF HAVING THE GALLERY SECTION VISABLE ON THE RIGHT, NOT A SEPERATE LINK. -Will

Whats just as impressive is that all the pics are still here! I was just thinking of the lack of activity and picture posts here after seeing other forums bumping with activity and picture posts...which by the way DON'T have a separate gallery. This forum was discriminated!