Heavy clay drainage issues
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drainage for area confined by wall and clay/rock fill?
Comments (3)What about the house? Is there water sometimes being held against the foundation, that might even start coming in during an exceptionally rainy spell? Example: one winter when there was so much rain we had a pond start to form on the front lawn - something I don't remember seeing before or since - the house across the street ended up having a waterfall coming into the basement. As far as the plants are concerned the growth and survival of the rhododendron shows that conditions must be fairly acceptable as most kinds of rhododendrons must have good drainage....See MorePlanting containerized trees in heavy clay
Comments (15)Good inputs! My experience planting trees is limited. So far, I only have a couple hundred chestnut trees in the ground. I've tried two methods so far. The first method was to auger deep holes and amend below the tree with no rocks as well as around the rootball. The auger size gave me a hole about 9"-10" in diameter and about 3' deep. These trees were started in December from nuts under lights indoors. They were a foot to 18" tall when planted the following April. I used no weed control but they were mostly planted in clover fields and the clover chokes out many of the weeds. Some of the containers were about 5" in diameter and others were closer to 9". I did try to protect most of them from browsing with tree tubes. Some I used short 18" solid tubes on the bottom with 3' mesh tubes on the top On others I used 3' solid tubes with 3' mesh tubes on the top. None had supplemental water. These trees now have 2 growing seasons under their belts. I'd estimate I had about 15% losses so far. These trees now range from about 4' to 7' tall. While I did not keep track tree by tree, my sense is that the ones in the wider containers (less amended soil between the root ball and native soils) grew better during the first summer. The second method I tried was to plant them from small cells (about 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 3 deep). With these I used a planting bar in a non-traditional way. I jammed the blade into the ground and rotated to carve out a hole the size of the cell. Again, I used no weed control but did use small tubes on half and left the other half unprotected. These were 9"-12" when planted. These trees have only been in the ground one growing season, so I won't really know survival rates until spring. My general sense is that while the planting effort is much lower, my survival rates will also be lower. Because I'm growing these trees from seed, the cost per tree is low and I am willing to accept some losses. You folks are absolutely correct about the bathtub effect and that is what I was going for. My intent was to create that bathtub far enough below the rootball that I don't drown the tree. I'm sure that in some cases I failed to get it right. I was hoping that adding the rocks would create more voids to hold water below the root ball. For those who suggested weed barriers and allowing trees to mature more before planting, I'm doing that as well. In those cases, I have a lot more invested in each tree and do plan will be planting these in more strategic locations with more care. In addition, I'll probably be retrofitting my best trees with gly and a weed barrier. I wanted to let them get a couple growing seasons under their belts first. Since I can't afford to do this will all, I figured I'd do it with the strongest. Thanks again for all the insights. Keep them coming. I'm learning as I go. Merry Christmas!!!...See MoreClay Soil Drainage Issue With Newly Planted Canary Island Pine
Comments (3)It’s been 7 days since we’ve watered last and there’s still 8 inches of standing water measuring. ==>>> why are you watering.. if there is water in there.... it seems you are more fixated on your watering schedule.. rather than water when the tree needs it ... do not amend the soil ... ever ... i would get some mulch on the bare dry soil ... mostly because i suspect.. you look at it.. and think the soil is too dry and it makes you want to water ...... except you know its flooded down below ... so dont look at it.. lol .. and no landscape fabric ... read the link regarding clay soil.. and watering ... ken https://sites.google.com/site/tnarboretum/Home/planting-a-tree-or-shrub...See MoreCan clay soil have decent drainage too?
Comments (13)Here are a few simple soil tests that might help you understand more about the soil you have and may help you create a good healthy soil to grow plant in. 1) Soil test for organic material. From that soil sample put enough of the rest to make a 4 inch level in a clear 1 quart jar, with a tight fitting lid. Fill that jar with water and replace the lid, tightly. Shake the jar vigorously and then let it stand for 24 hours. Your soil will settle out according to soil particle size and weight. For example, a good loam will have about 1-3/4 inch (about 45%) of sand on the bottom. about 1 inch (about 25%) of silt next, about 1 inch (25%) of clay above that, and about 1/4 inch (about 5%) of organic matter on the top. 2) Drainage. Dig a hole 1 foot square and 1 foot deep and fill that with water. After that water drains away refill the hole with more water and time how long it takes that to drain away. Anything less than 2 hours and your soil drains’ too quickly and needs more organic matter to slow that drainage down. Anything over 6 hours and the soil drains too slowly and needs lots of organic matter to speed it up. 3) Tilth. Take a handful of your slightly damp soil and squeeze it tightly. When the pressure is released the soil should hold together in that clump, but when poked with a finger that clump should fall apart. 4) Smell. What does your soil smell like? A pleasant, rich earthy odor? Putrid, offensive, repugnant odor? The more organic matter in your soil the more active the soil bacteria will be and the nicer your soil will smell, to a point. Too much organic matter can be bad as well. 5) Life. How many earthworms per shovel full were there? 5 or more indicates a pretty healthy soil. Fewer than 5, according to the Natural Resources Conservation Service, indicates a soil that is not healthy. These simple tests along with periodic soil tests for soil pH and nutrient levels will help you with soil. A simple test to see what type of soil you have would be to pick up some soil and rub it between your fingers. A gritty feel tells you sand while a smooth greasy feeling indicates clay (think talcum powder)...See Morergreen48
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