Nailing into I-joist bottom flange
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Comments (2)Apparently it is assumed that the cross bridging was nailed in correctly initially. That may not not be what actually happened. In times past, the bridging was cut from scrappy lumber and not all the pieces would be exact size or angle. The bridging would be nailed in from the top as subfloor was applied and later nailed at the bottom. Perhaps the bottom nailing was done by a less skilled person or a less caring person. Can you re-nail it to improve the fit?...See MoreNM Wire Stapled to Bottom of Ceiling Joists
Comments (4)MA code follows 2008 National Electrical Code (NFPA-70) with revision as follows... 334.17 Through or Parallel to Framing Members and Furring Strips. Types NM, NMC, or NMS cable shall comply with 300.4 where installed through studs, joists, rafters, and similar members. Grommets or bushings shall be used in metal studs as required in 300.4(B)(l), shall remain in place during the wall finishing process, shall cover the complete opening, and shall be listed for the purpose of cable protection. In both exposed and concealed locations, where the cable is installed parallel to framing members, such as joists, rafters, or studs, or is installed parallel to furring strips, the cable shall be secured so that the nearest outside surface of the cable is not less than 19 mm (3/4 inch) from the nearest edge of the framing member or furring strip where nails or screws are likely to penetrate. Where this distance cannot be maintained, the cable shall be protected from penetration by nails or screws by a steel plate, sleeve, or equivalent at least 1.6 mm (1/16 inch) thick. A listed and marked steel plate less than 1.6 mm (1/16 inch) thick that provides equal or better protection against nail or screw penetration shall be permitted for this purpose. Exception: For concealed work in finished buildings, or finished panels for prefabricated buildings where such supporting is impracticable, it shall be permitted to fish the cable between access points. Is this interpreted to mean running below the joist parallel but greater than 3/4" from strapping is acceptable?...See MoreNM on bottom of basement joists
Comments (8)334.12 lends a bit of weight to the side that advocates fastening the cable to the bottom of the joist above a suspended ceiling is OK. With the code being a "prohibitive" document for the most part, that is, permitting most things not prohibited, NM-B fastened to the bottom of joists in a finished basement above a suspended ceiling would be OK. And, "easily removeable" isn't addressed as a definition of "finished". The code doesn't say that a ceiling has to be nailed or screwed in to be a "finished" ceiling. But, installation of a suspended ceiling without finishing the walls doesn't get you a finished basement, either. On the other hand, during construction of a residence wiring is never installed above the ceiling of a "finished" basement ceiling as the basement isn't finished till the ceiling is in place, thus requiring either bored holes or running boards for wiring installed during construction. Removal of a ceiling panel to do repairs or upgrades doesn't "unfinish" the area any more than an accidentally broken piece of ceiling drywall would. Personally, I would drill the holes for the wire but only because it is a preference and not a requirement. As a side note, the fact there is discussion about this subject at all just bolters my opionion that it's a bad idea to install a permanent ceiling in a basement. With all due respect to fubar411, a ceiling is a ceiling. It is quite unlikely that NM-B above a suspended ceiling would get damaged by anything not likey to damage it behind any other kind of covering. The code does, after all, permit EXPOSED NM-B installation in certain circumstances. And, although the Mike Holt is a great resource, the fact of the matter is that those of us who use specific parts of the code every day and interact with inspectors about it are just as capable and knowledgeable as anyone there. After all, it isn't the forum folks that have to build a job to get past OUR inspectors. The 2 or 3 hard copies I have floating around and the copy on my laptop aren't there for vanity reasons. UNK...See MoreHow do I install extra joist to prep for stone tile?
Comments (6)Still looking for answer to question as to how to fasten new installed joist to the 2 layers of existing 3/4 fir. I will be adding a plywood layer of 3/8". I was thinking that I could treat the existing 2 layers as one and just nail or screw through both layers, from the top side, to get the floor anchored the length of the new joist. What about that idea? Here is #1 joist being installed by DH, #2 is waiting for tomorrow: New joist on the far right, it is the same size as the rest, it is just bolder:) : Anyone out there to help me figure out if it is ok to just nail down through both old floors from the top side down into the new joist? Or should I have it screwed down. I will be adding a 3/8" ply underlayment that I will not be fastening to the joist and will not be having the edges join over the joist. Screw down 6"o.c. throughout. Ditra will be my decoupling membrane before the tile goes down....See MoreUser
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