Fun-C & Denali... I can't remember where you moved Fun-C!! Email me, and I WILL get you the C2 fandeck this time!!! Denali... * Are you near a C2 dealer?! * If you haven't, check out C2paint.com for the online colors! * Chai, Tempura, Luxe, and Thatch are colors that we're makin' all the time! * However...if you're ever in Fargo, ND...swing by. It's surprising what a flip of long, wavy hair and a wink will get ya!! (FANDECKS I mean, people!!!) ...after I recover from fainting that is....;-) Faron

We also used Marvin for our replacements - wood inside, clad outside. Our windows are 17 years old already. They are very large double hungs, tilt in but are a PITA because of the sash weight. The jam liners are fragile and we've had to replace many - without benefit of warranty because although Marvin makes a good product they do not stand behind their products. I say that not only as a homeowner with the product but as the wife of someone in home remodeling/repair. My DH has done battle with Marvin on behalf of customers (who had installation done by other companies) for years and it's never pleasant. The key to any window installation whether you do new primes in an old house or replacements is EXACT measuring. In his 20+ years in this business my DH is regularly astounded at the lack of measuring skills shown by window installation companies and then the unbelievable makeshift work done to make it 'fit'. Is your home frame or masonry? Are your sills in good shape or rotted out? How about the outside trim? Replacement windows replace sashes and jams only. A prime window replaces everything including inside and outside trim (plus necessary plaster/drywall repair inside and exterior siding/masonry) and includes custom sizing to fit the exact opening. ****awm03**** wow wow wow - what a gorgeous setting! There are so many people here I can never keep straight which house goes with which ID so maybe I've seen your house before and just not connected it with you. Your pictures bring back a lot of memories - we pretty much stripped this house to the studs, in and out, more than once in various remodels, updates and additions. My hat's off to you - you've got a winner there. Deb

"Squirrel moment-- I have noticed that Marvin's Multi-slide SGD is 9/16" thick using a SGP interlayer. I've also noticed CGI's Estate Series SGD is 1/2" thick using a PVB interlayer." Within the glass industry and lesser extent the window industry, glass is measured and referenced in mm rather than in fractions of an inch for precision, although even people within the industry will refer to fractions at times usually when not being technical. For example, common, everyday, thicknesses of glass from a float might be 1.6mm, 2.0mm, 2.2mm, 2.5mm, 2.7mm, 3.0mm, 3.1mm, 3.9mm, 4.7mm, 4.9mm, 5.7mm, 5.9mm, 6.0mm....and so on. Imagine converting those into fractions and trying to keep track. If a window company wanted 1/8" tempered glass for use in an IGU, for example, then they would likely be getting 3.1mm, but if they wanted ordinary annealed glass, then they would probably receive 3.0mm. I could write pages about why thickness differences but suffice to say it can be simple in some cases and complicated in others. And some of those glass thicknesses directly relate to use with laminated glass. "Marvin's glass is a teensy bit thicker with an SGP interlayer (allegedly bomb resistant, I've read). I'm guessing Marvin uses the SGP interlayer to make the glass stronger." Here's a little secret for you, although glass is referenced in mm, interlayers in North America are usually referenced in decimal. Don't ask me why, that's just how it's done, but referencing interlayers in mm is becoming more common. This is why you can have a lami make up that's listed as 3.0mm/.090"/3.0mm. Weird but how it's done, but there's more. PVB comes in thicknesses of .015", .030", .045", .060", .090", with .090 generally used for impact products, but not always. PVB can also be stacked, for example adding two .060" for a total of .120". SGP comes in thicknesses of .030". .035", .038", .063", .095" and .100". So the reason why two laminated glass lites one with PVB and one with SGP aren't the same thickness is because SGP is slightly thicker than PVB. I do need to mention that there is an update to SGP since I retired and I don't know what thicknesses it comes in. Per bomb resistance, much of what I know in that area is very proprietary and not something I would post in public, but yes that is an option, but far from the only one, and I know some of them would surprise you. SGP has 5 times the tear resistance and is 100 times stiffer than PVB, but that isn't the whole story about how it functions as an impact resistant interlayer. Depending in the window size, aspect ratio, frame and sash materials, so on, sometimes SGP is the better choice and sometimes PVB is the better choice. They both have their place. 1-doesn't that make Marvin's door more qualified against hurricanes? Not necessarily, but I love SGP tear resistance in high wind situations. 2-Will the less-than-stellar ability of SGP to reduce outside noise to the degree that PVB can reduce noise be noticable? Is it a game changer? That's your call, but SGP does virtually nothing for sound resistance while PVB is used in sound and recording studio glass. 3-Seeing that both CGI and Marvin use the same Cardinal glass, the Marvin frame is allegedly on par or stronger than CGI's, do these facts make Marvin a superior product? Again not necessarily. Wood, vinyl, fiberglass, aluminum, have all been certified to hurricane codes, both Miami Dade and ASTM E1886 and E1996. Some sash/frames are stifff as heck and never move, others flex like crazy but stay in place. As long as they meet code that would not be my concern. Do I like Marvin better? Yes I do, but that has to do with a lot of other reasons, not just the material they use for their sash and frames.

Bizarre.... Let me copy and paste: I dropped 3M a line and here is what they had to say. I'll post in its entirety as it may be helpful for anyone else with the same questions I had:"3M Prestige 70 would be our lightest to clearest film that allows roughly 70% of the natural light and reflects up to 97% of the suns IR while blocking up to 99% of UV A. 3M(TM) Window Films can affect house plants in both positive and negative ways. The effects will depend on which film is installed and which specific plants you are concerned about. 3M Renewable Energy Division has no expertise in house plants, so a non-3M expert will need to be consulted about your specific plant varieties. Below is an excerpt from the 3M(TM) Window Film Manual explaining the situation: 3M(TM) Window Film REDUCED SOLAR RADIATION EFFECTS ON HOUSE PLANTS Effects On House Plants With 3M(TM) Sun Control Window Film Applied On Glass KNOWN FACTS: 1. Growth and development requirements vary with different plants 2. Growth and development depend upon light, temperature range, exposure, humidity, CO2 levels, etc. 3. For sufficient growth, the wavelength of 400-700 nm is important for photosynthesis (greening process) 4. 700-850 nm range is required for the photomorphogenic process (flowering process) 5. Most greenhouses have artificial light to supplement natural light (day vs. night, summer vs. winter, cloudy vs. sunny) 6. UV is damaging to most green plants 7. Extreme temperature variations are detrimental to plant growth 8. 3M Sun Control Window Film will help reduce solar heat gain, temperature buildup and moisture loss (Plants may require less water after film is installed, so care should be taken not to drown plants from over watering.) WHAT TO DO WHEN IN QUESTION? Contact a local horticulturist, college or university extension office • Provide type of plant(s) • Provide percent reduction of visible light, UV and solar heat with specific 3M(TM) Sun Control Window Film applied to glass • Consult your local Agricultural Extension agent One of our certified installing dealers with extensive experience in window film selection could assist you in deciding which films would work best for your application. Please visit our website to find a local dealer near you. They can help you with product selection, technical support, samples, installation and pricing.Like Save Edit Delete KP DevlinOriginal Author4 hours agolast modified: 4 hours ago So I'm thinking the Prestige 70 sounds like a good bet. I've installed window films before so I know the process. I couldn't find Prestige 70 for sale by that name, but I'm guessing this stuff is the same thing, just branded by the company selling it?https://smile.amazon.com/NSN70-Window-Transparent-Ultra-Rejection/dp/B00X6JO2TW/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=3M%2BPrestige%2B70&qid=1619526849&sr=8-1&th=1