Thanks for your comments, Ed. I appeciate them. I'm unsure about being able to kill off the rust or not (in warm weather areas). Just about everything that I have read says that you only suppress it, yet my garden seems to have been clean (at least, no visible pustules) since that initial exposure, so I don't know what to make of it. (Not, mind you, that I have minutely scrutinized every leaf on every plant - though I do check the remaining previously very rusty plants periodically.) I "got it all in time"? (Sounds like cancer, lol - and doesn't explain why those non-dormant rusty plants haven't been rusty since.) Climate not conducive? (Which seems to be the case, but still...) Re dormants... you make a good point in that northern gardens don't necessarily have to worry about rust resistance (especially those hybridizing mainly for other northern gardens). I was just curious as to whether - in zones 8 and 9 - if one DID have a garden of all dormants, if they got infected, would the plants all come up clean next year (provided all the dead leaves were removed). I guess we may never know. Re hybridizing - only two generations to get a very resistant plant? Depending on how many genes control resistance, the genetics of the parent plants and how many F2 seedlings you grew out, I can see that happening. (Only takes four years minimum to get there, sigh - and that's IF your environment is such that you can reliably tell which seedlings are susceptible or not.) (DH asked me something to that point - why not cross the rusty purchased plant to a resistant plant, etc. etc. Well, there are a lot of excuses (er, reasons) as to why not, including not much sunny, deer-proof, unlandscaped space that I can use for seedlings. Since I have WAY more crosses that I want to make than I ever have the time/energy/space to grow out, and since I also don't want to perpetually be battling rust, it seemed the best thing to just toss the rust bucket(s).) Ed, do you mind if I ask how many F2 seedlings you had to grow out to get at least one resistant plant? I would guess at least 16 for tets - with no guarantee that you would get a very resistant plant because the probabilities hold for large populations, not necessarily for small ones (though you could get one to a few moderately resistant plants, depending on the genetics of the parents). (My reasoning is as follows... We don't know how many genes are involved, but for tets, making some very simplistic (and possibly incorrect) assumptions (only one gene determines resistance, an additive as opposed to dominant/recessive mechanism (what I gather seems to be the case?), the pod parent's extra DNA does not affect resistance, the resistant parent is rrrr and the susceptible parent is RRRR - so this assumes the best and worst case plants), I would guess you would get in the first generation F1 all rrRR (call that average resistance/susceptibility), and in the second generation F2: 1 rrrr very resistant F2 plant 4 rrrR equivalent moderately resistant plants 6 rrRR equivalent average resistance/susceptibility plants 4 rRRR equivalent moderately susceptible plants 1 RRRR very susceptible plants If the resistant parent is rrrR and/or the susceptible parent is RRRr then the picture gets more complicated.) I wish there was more information available in one location as to resistant cultivars. (Yes, I have been reading daylilyrust.org, forums, and hybridizer's comments.) I have gathered some of the reputedly resistant plants together, but for other plants (with traits that I want) it is hard to tell. (If anyone can tell me one way or the other re resistance on WHITE MOUNTAIN or ARCTIC LACE I would appreciate it!)

Edward, I think they would be pink! Actually, I have a certain picture in my mind I guess when I plan a cross. It is based on the faults of a flower. I take it to the extreme sometimes, and I consider both SOT and BC to have the same flaw...not enough edge. I would cross either or both with JTD, and then add the other...(SOT x JTD)BC or (BC x JTD)SOT. Plus, by the time you make the second cross you might have a better eded pink to make the last cross. But if your goal is for color and not the edge, then my plan makes no sense. Ideally, (SOT x BC)Gary Colby would be good, but you did not gain much ground in the (SOT x BC) cross to help GC. Both have good color...so, (SOT x GC) would be better and faster (if the edge matters). So for me, where the edge does matter, I would make many crosses involving all three and get good seedlings to use GC on. Having a bunch of seedling pod parents is important. So, to answer your question in 1000 words or less, I would not make that cross.

Good evening all, first i have to say many thanks to Shirley and Jo for such nice trade boxes. you guys are wonderful!!!!!!! Shirley you picked out such beautiful hosta for me. and drool drool...need Diana Remembered. but it can wait til we trade next time :). Jo an awesome iris and daylily selection. :). Couln't believe you added so many, it was not necessary! Angie, Lisa, Anita, Maryotts Lovers in general :), they are so awesome!!! I don't think ive ever received smaller than 3 fans and that was JT Davis. and HUGE ones too. and great bonuses too! reminds me to place another order soon :):). Marea, ouch on that Lunar Max....why did i not pick that one in my Trimmer kick? going on the must have list. Dianne, i have tons of yellow needing divided, if you aren't too picky, i need to move remove some duplicates after they bloom this year. email me. Jean, i only have 10 iris that have even bloomed so take it for what its worth, but that noid looks like Stepping Out to me, if its really purple purple and only photographs blue. :) Barb, lol...would have described an iris like that too. big grin. MaryB, you are such an enabler yourself!. Started and heavily dosed by MaryB, highly seasoned by Shirley, with just the right touch of Marea and Ellen. All simmered with fresh MaryS. Heres my hostas: Mini hosta garden ut oh...out of room...mini hostas #2 bigger hosta for those not impressed, i had 3 hosta 2 years ago :). (Cody-ihope something like that might qualify me for July...cause i grow no food :). onto daylilies next :):) Cindy O/namso

HEReS THE DEAL.... EVERYONE SENDS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED TO EVERYONE... TOO COOL HUH so.... ill send barb one each of everything on this list!!!!!!!! HOLY SMOKES!!!!!!!! SO HERES THE LIST,,, 1.WINDCHIMES 2.DECORATIVE ANYTHING FOR THE GARDEN THAT YOU YOURSELF WOULD LIKE IN YOUR GARDEN 3.gARDEN MAG. 4.IRIS( IRIS SCORED BIG TIME THANKS TO ALL OF SHIRLEY PHOTOS IM THINKING.... 5.DAYLILY 6.SOMETHING DEAR FROM YOUR GARDEN WITH A LETTER STATING WHY... 7.DAYLILY SPACECOAST ANYTHING.. IF NOT ANY DAYLILY WOULD DO, JUST SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SHE COLLECTING SPACECOASTS.. 8. FLOWER bulbs OF ANY SORT 9. something purple 10. somethng pink 11. something for a bird... or birds...( guess who..grin) 12. spider daylily (cool... I only have one... its bloomed mso i'll have to go shopping! oh gee..... grin! 13. angel something another cool idea!!! and the list will continue...... holy smokes!!!!