posted by diab123 I want to make sure I'm getting the same fine baking quality as Miele if buying Electrolux.. The hard thing would be to find someone who has baked in both to make a comparison and even if they did, it is such a subjective judgement and their opinion might not be the same as yours. Oddly there have been some complaints about Miele baking unevenly and I can't say if there have been any about the Electrolux but there probably have been somewhere. I do have a Wolf and Electrolux oven and do find the Wolf slightly more even, but it has the dual fans. This is only when they are loaded up. I did bake a three tiered cake(Dorie Greenspan's party cake), for the first time, for my GD's birthday and all the layers came out great in the Electrolux. Have you baked with Miele and know what it does? Miele is a very different oven and has a lot more modes than the Electrolux does. It has the ability to manipulate the direction of the heat and fan speed in many more ways than the Electrolux, but requires that everything is working perfectly and you understand what the modes are and how to use them. If you are an artisan baker you might want that even with the learning curve. Here are some of the threads about Miele. Many have written extensively and might not want to rewrite. I don't think that the models have changed that much over the last few years. Here is a link that might be useful: Miele

dcwesley, not sure if your last post was asking me, so excuse this if it wasn't. Also, don't know if your referencing the black vs stainless or the decision of double ovens + advantium. So I'll address both...out of order. We are replacing an existing double oven and a microwave. Although I don't use both ovens frequently, at times it comes in very handy. I like the advantiums's use as a speed cook (since I often get caught up at work and then have to scramble to get dinner on the table) and as a warming oven. (We're going with the 120, which I know is not as fast but does have the other features.) I never really looked at the Miele speed cook as an option. As far as black vs stainless, I spent much time going back and forth. And in the end, my DH made the decision. We currently have black in our existing appliances. I don't like the look of solid stainless steel (like on a dishwasher). And frankly, I don't spend a lot of time wiping fingerprints etc., so I didn't want to have appliances that looked like drek most of the time. If this doesn't answer your question, let me know.

I was also recently looking at Miele ovens. Much to my chagrin, it appears that the PerfectClean is no longer being manufactured for sale in the USA. If your dealer has one in stock, it may be an option for you, else you'll have to find a Miele dealer who does have them in stock (and there don't seem to be many who stock Miele oens). In fact, while according to Miele's website, there are "New for 2009" models and then there are "Current Models" (which are last years models) only the "Current" models (i.e. last years) show a Perfect Clean option. Try to talk to Miele about where to purchase a "Current Model" oven and you get into a bizarrely circular conversation wherein they tell you that they have no information about where to buy what their website lists as a "Current Model" because they are no longer selling or tracking their "Current Models". In a nutshell, unless you can find a dealer that has a PerfectClean oven to offer you, I'd pretty much score it off your candidate list. The selfclean may well be all you can get your hands on. For my part, fortunately, my oven problem seems to be getting adequately resolved and entirely to my satisfaction so I don't need to find a new oven, but had it not, I was getting a headache from finding a "Current Model" Miele. BTW, contrary to what we've read on this website, and based on my one piece of anecdotal evidence within the past month, Bosch Customer Service has been far and away superior to Miele Customer Support. I hope I don't need any Miele CS on my laundry or vacuums for a while at least.

Hi kgyso, Not sure if this will help you re the Advantium 120 but I have mine below my counter. I called the GE rep before I in installed it (documented the call) and was told it would not invalidate my warranty. I have, in fact, used the warranty since the oven was installed below counter. The door does get warm and I think that if you have small children it could be a problem but we are "older" and just the two of us so that is not an issue.