Carrier Performance Series v. Lennox EL195E (Elite Series)
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urgent need to decide: Lennox, American Standard or Carrier?
Comments (4)Couple of notes: :: Make sure you have all sizing and model information before you pull the tricker. :: Make sure a load calculation is/was done to determine proper sizing. Just slapping in the old size isn't always going to work. Especially with higher efficiency units. :: For the Carrier system, I'd opt for the Infinity control for superior control over the system. :: American Standard is essentially the same thing as Trane-- mechanically at least, and I must admit I favor Trane equipment. :: Most importantly: Which contractor did you like the best/feel the most comfortable with? Which seemed the most concerned with your comfort? When contractors see you in a predicament like this, they can often boost their pricing since they know you need to get a new system. They will also pull stunts like "Sign today and get the system early next week." I'm not saying it happened, but make sure the contractor is sincere is all I'm saying. Good luck. If you provide more information on these units I can tell you the efficiencies they'll really be getting. Don't always believe the "Up to XX SEER."...See MoreLennox vs Trane vs Bryant
Comments (8)We live in coastal SC and have steamy weather extremes and frequent lightning, power outages and surges, with on again off again power. We own Trane Heat Pumps and Air Handlers, one 3 ton and one 2.5 ton, which were installed 11 years ago by the builder of our house [we are the second owner for 8 years]. We have been told that the heater crankcase has failed on the 2.5 ton unit which would be an expensive repair on a 11 year old unit and we have been advised that we should strongly consider buying new units because of their age. Overall, we have been pleased with these Trane units. Previously, we had Carrier units and were pleased with them. When problems occurred, the technicians could repair them quickly. Service Experts here in coastal SC near Beaufort and Hilton Head has quoted me for a 2.5 ton unit: Lennox Elite XP14 and the CBX27UH, variable speed air handler; digital thermostat, Pure Air Cabinet; 10 yr. parts and compressor, 1 yr labor $6719. Less rebate of 400. For net 6319. Plus To extend the labor 9 years is $1,095.00. Told Tax Credit Available. Lennox Elite XP15 and the CBX32MV, variable speed air handler; Touch screen programmable thermostat, Pure Air Cabinet; 10 yr. parts ands compressor, 1 yr labor $8421. Less rebate of 500. For net $7921. Plus To extend the labor 9 years is $1,095.00. Told NO Tax Credit Available. Lennox Elite XP19 and the CBX32MV; variable speed air handler; 2 speed compressor; Touch screen programmable thermostat, Pure Air Cabinet; 10 yr. parts and compressor, 10 yr labor $11408. Less rebate of 900. For net 10508. Told Tax Credit Available. I have been quoted for a 3.0 ton unit: Lennox Elite XP14 and the CBX27UH, variable speed air handler; digital thermostat, Pure Air Cabinet; 10 yr. parts and compressor, 1 yr labor $8009. Less rebate of 400. For net 7608. Plus To extend the labor 9 years is $1,095.00. Told Tax Credit Available. : Lennox Elite XP15 and the CBX32MV, variable speed air handler; Touch screen programmable thermostat, Pure Air Cabinet; 10 yr. parts ands compressor, 1 yr labor $9003. Less rebate of 500. For net $8503. Plus To extend the labor 9 years is $1,095.00. Told NO Tax Credit Available. Lennox Elite XP19 and the CBX32MV; variable speed air handler; 2 speed compressor; Touch screen programmable thermostat, Pure Air Cabinet; 10 yr. parts and compressor, 10 yr labor $12153. Less rebate of 900. For net 11253. Told Tax Credit Available. Service Experts here state that the Trane XL15I Weathertron 4TWX5030A1 with 4TEE3F39A1 and the XL15I Weathertron 4TWX5036A1 with 4TEE3F39A1 are the same as the Lennox Elite XP15 and the CBX32MV and would cost us the same. They also state that the Carrier Performance "H" series units, such as PERFORMANCE 15 PURON HP CARRIER AIR CONDITIONING 25HPA536H30 FV4BNB006 or PERFORMANCE 15 PURON HP CARRIER AIR CONDITIONING 25HPA548H30 FV4BNB006 are Carriers 3 ton and 4 ton units with a 5 ton Air Handler. They state that a 2.5 and 3 ton unit would cost the same as the Trane or Lennox systems.. Are these Lennox, Trane, and Carrier units comparable and does this pricing sound reasonable. Thank you for your comments, opinions and thoughts....See Moreis Lennox quote fair and is system good?
Comments (16)bajau according to the AHRI HP Directory,Lennox does not have a 2 1/2 ton XP14 or XP15 paired with a VS air handler that qualifies for the tax credit. The Lennox XP14 system listed in your post is paired with a VS air handler and does qualify for the tax credit but this is a three ton system. Obviously a big hole in Lennox product line. In your 10:42 AM post about the Trane and AmStd 2 1/2 ton systems;the XL15i and Heritage 15 are for all practical purposes identical HP condensers with the exception of Trane's funky covered top on the XLi series. However, the Trane XR14c is a very nice system. The major difference between the XL15i and XR14c is of course the condenser with the XL15i having the funny top, a little quieter, better performance numbers in heating, and a 12 yr warranty on the compressor. see below. Results Metric Display Name XL15i XR14 SEER (Cooling Efficiency) up to 16.00 up to 15.00 HSPF (Heating Efficiency) up to 9.0 up to 9.0 Energy Star Yes No Nominal Sound Level 74 76 Two-Stage Operation Single Stage Single Stage Registered* Limited Warranty 12-Year Compressor, 10-Year coil, 10-Year functional parts 10-Year Compressor, Coil, and functional parts Warranty (Extended) Optional Available Optional Available if you could get either the Trane XL15i or Heritage 15 for $6500 or less plus the tax credit, then that would be my choice. They will simply hold up better and have a longer operating life than Lennox. IMO...See MoreOpinion on Carrier reliability and quote and Whirlpool
Comments (28)Yes, when I refer to furnace, I meant the inside air handler. The quote for a matching furnace is $3800, which I am thinking I don't need to spend, since my current air handler (a 20 yr old Rheem) is working.I do have budget restrictions, so am trying to make a compromise to get a good system. I understand that I will not get optimized performance from the heat pump, but I'm thinking it will take a long time to make a furnace upgrade pay off for these reasons: -Quebec electricity is still affordable; I currently pay about $1500 a year for my 2 storey house -the 5 companies I called (all selling different brands) all stated there was no need to waste money when the current furnace still works, although they could sell it if I wanted it -the heatpump won't work at optimum efficiency, but it will still be a lot more efficient than what I have today, so should still see savings -the aircon will only be used for 3 months of the year -the furnace takes over heating when it gets colder than -10C, which is about 4 months of the year I admit I have not done any calculations to confirm my theory, but I will attempt to do so shortly. Have been out of town last week. My current furnace is a 20KW model, which does heat up in increments. The thermostat quoted is the White Rodgers IF70....See Moretigerdunes
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