Kitchen Layout - thanks for your input!
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Comments (11)If the windows cannot change and it's important to you that the sink be centered and under the middle window, then the DW will not fit on the other side. Wanting it centered is not a bad thing, it's just something that means more to some than others. We all have things that are important and are worth some compromises. FWIW, my DH was very insistent our main/cleanup sink be centered in front of our bay window...and I think I agree with him, although if it meant sacrificing function I may not have. In your case, if you put a prep sink & a second trash in the island, I think it can be an acceptable compromise since you have wide aisles. Yes, there is a "danger" of backing into an open DW when working at the island, but with... wide aisles (important here) the fact that the cooktop is away from the DW (so you aren't moving toward the DW when going to the cooktop) it looks like you have approx 36" b/w the open DW and the edge of a prep sink (if the prep sink is in the left 18" space on the islands), leaving you with enough room to work at the island w/o the DW getting in the way ...I don't think it will be that much of an issue. Since most trash & recycling occur while prepping & cooking, I would be sure to make the trash in the island a double-bin pullout. If you don't recycle much or don't mind walking the recyclables over to the other side of the kitchen, you might be able to get away with a single trash bin in the island, but I don't recommend it. The one by the cleanup sink could be a 12" or 15" single-bin trash-only pullout, but then it would affect the "centering" of the sink under the window! BTW...it helps if draw in the open door...most DW doors are 27" tall, so draw in a 27"tall x 24"wide rectangle to show where it opens into the aisle...that will tell you how much space there is b/w the open door and the island for walking past the open DW as well as how much room b/w the door and the prep sink in the island. (Line the "bottom" of the DW door with the edge of the DW square, not the countertop edge b/c the DW door opens from the DW, not the counter.) Our DW opens partially into a 47" aisle and there's plenty of room to walk by it. It's partially b/w the end of the peninsula & counter on the other side and we've never had a "roadblock" when the DW was open. So, go and draw in the open DW door and, while you're at it, do the same for the open refrigerator, MW drawer, ovens, and trash pullouts. Yes, the MW could face the cooktop. Since it's a cooktop and not a range, there won't be an open oven door to worry about being in conflict w/an open MW drawer. My MW drawer is the previous model (i.e., not one of the new, bigger ones) and opens approx 16" past the countertop. So it would stick out 16" into the aisle. If the aisle is 48" wide (or even 45" accounting for counter overhang on both sides), that leaves you with a 29" (45" - 16") walkway b/w the open MW and the cooktop...plenty of room to walk by. And, since MWs aren't open for very long, I don't think the fact that it's open while someone is working at the cooktop will pose a problem either. I do like the crown around the bottom of the hood....See Morekitchen layout input, please!
Comments (5)Hi mnerg, thanks for your ideas. Regarding the cabinets over the fridge, in our kitchen today, the cabinets over the fridge are the same 12" depth as the rest of the wall cabinets, and as a result we end up storing things directly on top of the refrigerator. That seems to work more or less ok... although I certainly agree that it is a pain to get into the cabinets above the fridge in this configuration. Currently we only put things back there that are infrequently used (and we use a step stool to get at them when we do need to). If we were to make those cabinets the full depth of the fridge, I would worry about tailoring their height and depth to this specific refrigerator that we're planning to buy during this remodel, and then having that height/depth not quite work for the next refrigerator, some years down the road. I'll take a look around at some of the other kitchens in the FKB, though, and see how other people have handled this. Regarding a trash pullout in the island, yes, we have toyed with that idea... I'm not sure exactly where it would go, though. DH wants to maintain the ability to work either at the long side of the prep counter (directly across from the counter that adjoins the cooktop), or at the short end of the counter (so that he can look out over the dining area and family room and have a conversation with me if I am there). I am not sure where to have that trash pullout so that it would be convenient for both prepping locations... maybe at the end of the long side which is nearest the cooktop?? That seems the most convenient place. Hmm, I'll think about this some more. For anybody else who would like to provide input, I wanted to add a few more details about the kitchen/house: The dining space shown in this layout is intended to be the one and only dining area for the house. The house actually has a room that is intended for use as a formal dining room (it's the room next to the oven), but it is a narrow, uncomfortable room with bad light and less-than-ideal views. (That room was added on to the original house a decade after the house was originally built, and definitely suffers from being an afterthought.) So we've decided to repurpose that room as a utility room, and use the dining area shown in these layout pics as our one and only dining area, even for entertaining. The table modeled in this layout is 42 in. wide by 64 in. long - that should seat 6 comfortably; our intention is to get a table of approximately that size with a leaf that can allow it to extend to about 84 in., seating 8. BTW please ignore the laundry room shown in the layout... we know that we will have to reorganize that room and probably move the water heater out into the garage, but I just haven't gotten around to updating the model for that yet. Regards, r.a. P.S. I'm adding a link to my Picasa web album with the layout, in case anybody is having trouble accessing the pictures. Here is a link that might be useful: kitchen remodel layout pictures...See MoreFinally--my proposed layout for your input (long!)
Comments (19)I am afraid your above plan fails to meet your goal to have a smooth work flow and efficient layout...The coffee center is far from a water source, there is no storage near the clean up area for dishes, and the traffic pattern from sink to fridge, back to sink, to stove...just isn't as simple as it could be. The sink is handier to the broom closet than to the fridge and stove areas. I have worries, as others have expressed, about traffic being able to get around the table to the sun room, not only because of length, but also depth. You have it drawn without chairs, and remember they will take up room, if like in my house, not always be neatly arranged. I haven't addressed that in this plan, but did the following: Coffee is close to the prep sink Desk is nearby but not taking from valuable kitchen workspace There is a good and efficient relationship between fridge, prep area and stove. There is nice dish storage area There are a few work areas for when guests or the kids want to join in kitchen tasks. --No better way to discourage your kids from wanting to learn to cook and bake than there not being room for them to work. It gets tough for everyone to work together in good humor with all walking on top of each other, trying to reach the same sink and use the same work paths. I find that with a prep sink, I could've gotten only a single basin sink for the cleanup area. Maybe a way to save is to trade the large 3-basin sink for the 2 smaller sinks. I know that won't offset the charges for the plumbing, but I really think this will make a kitchen that's so much better to work in. I wasn't sure how best to place the appliance garage, but here's a stab at it. I hope it helps:...See MoreInput needed for kitchen cabinet layout and sizes
Comments (8)What am I missing, which to the above commenters seems so obvious? With a slight rearrangement to the island, I think this will be a functional layout. I don't see a problem with the fridge door opening. If the DW is moved to the right of the sink (as you face it), with a trash pull-out to the left, a nice prep area is created, which will not cross with the clean-up functions. Dishes can be stored in the cabinets across from the DW, where it will be easy for a helper to unload, or gather them to set the table, without crossing the prep and cooking zones. On the opposite end of the island, the MW drawer is convenient to the fridge. I might suggest omitting the narrow cabinet between the trash pull-out and MW drawer, and adding an overhang to the side, for better eye contact among the seated diners. (Second plan.) vmnclark, do the hash marks above the windows signify cabinets? If so, I like the open areas better, but I added the cabinets in this view:Taller windows? To address your original questions: 1) The widths of the drawer bases are fine--you can always add dividers to separate items. eta, Think about what you will keep in each drawer to decide on 3-drawer or 4-drawer stacks. ie, if you are storing pans, you'll need a deeper drawer than if you are storing skillets, and since dishes area heavy, weight can be better distributed in 4 drawers. Glasses and cups can go in the upper, along with coffee-related items--if you plan to keep a coffee maker on that counter. If you want symmetry, think about making the bases on each end 4-drawer stacks. The stack beside the fridge could hold rolled goods (plastic wrap, foil, etc,) in the top, then utensils, then dish linens, and in the bottom, plastic food containers--if you use those. The 3-drawer stack to the right of the range could hold spices in the top drawer, with baking staples such as flour, sugar, oats, etc. in the next drawer, and bakeware in the bottom drawer. Oils and other frequently used cooking and baking items (baking powder, salt, brown sugar, etc.) can be stored in the upper cabinet. The 'How do I plan for storage' link that Kathi Steele posted is a great resource, as are all of Buehl's planning threads. 2) Addressed in first part of my post. 3) I like the open shelving in the pantry area, but you'll want nice dishes or other coordinating items on display--assuming that's not where you'll keep the boxes of breakfast cereal. ;) That area will also make a nice buffet serving space....See Morecindygreenestudio
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