No problem, and thank you for helping!

I just received 4 from Roses Unlimited. I can see if any are large enough to take a cutting from. Do you know how I could ship this so it would survive the heat? I'm fairly new to growing roses so I'm not sure how to proceed with this.
Sharon

Wow! You got 4 Pompom Verandas!!

I recently called them to check and they said they were out of stock.

Maybe you could wrap the cut end with a wet paper towel and then put the whole cutting into a plastic bag. Then package it in a double thickness brown paper bag and mail it that way. I will pay you of course! I'm in California. Please tell me what you think.

Thank you so much!

Roseann

You can wrap one end in damp paper towels but leave the other end out of the bag or it will mold. Cuttings should root better if you wait till fall then ship to a hot area.

Neither of my pompom or blush veranda could ever get open hear either. Just to cool or humid. They certainly were healthy thou.

I have heard the same thing. The representative for this rose told me it does well in hot areas. I live in zone 10 so I think it would do well for me. Just trying to find it is proving very difficult.

Hi I am from New Flora and we no longer license Pompom or Blush Veranda to any growers. Above discussions indicate the reasons why we pulled these off of the market. Flowers are so large they do not fully open in many climates. As far as sending cuttings of these varieties - please don't. These varieties are protected by intellectual property rights and we ask that you to respect this. As far as Veranda being available - yes and there have bee a quite a few at Lowe's stores this year mostly on the eastern seaboard and the south. Many of the mail order companies have them available. There are quite a few variates available:

Sunbeam - yellow
Cream - bronze to cream
Chica- orange red
Lavender - lavender
Roxanne - deep red
Brilliant - orange with white reverse

We appreciate your interest in the series.

Chris,

I am so shocked that you would advise against average gardeners like us sharing cuttings for our personal gardens. The practice of gardeners sharing specimens from their gardens has been going on since the beginning of time. Many life long friendships begun because of the shaing of a seed or a cutting. It was never my intent to take this cutting and somehow make a profit from it. Maybe I would agree with you if this rose was still available to purchase, and that's a big maybe, but since it isn't even available anymore, it seems that we should be able to share cuttings if we want to.

Hi Roseanne,

I think that respectfully asking that these Veranda not be propagated is a fairly nice way of asking. I don't object on the whole that cutting be shared or passed around. There must be a least 10,000 rose varieties that are not patented .... feel free. However there are patented varieties out there and there is legal protection against the unlicensed propagation of these varieties. If you like seeing new varieties and don't mind that those people who spend there lives bringing new varieties to the market have some right to their inventions please respect these intellectual property rights.
I am shocked that you say it is about making money. if it was just about making money as you suggest we would have left them on the market and made money on them while they the plants under performed for the gardener. They were taken off the market because they did not perform well and did not live up to the standards of the Kordes name and the quality we want in the Veranda collection.

I am the representative you talked to. I said it then and I will say it again - we have so many really great roses to grow from Kordes - try one of the others that it healthy and performs well.

Hi Chris,

I know that I spoke to you.

You misunderstood what I meant about making money.

I never intended to grow it for re-sale. I just wanted to grow it in my garden.

Also, how can I be taking profits from the people who brought it to market, if they aren't even selling this rose anymore.

If it's such a poor quality rose that it had to be taken off the market, the growers might be pleased that someone still finds beauty in something that someone else found to be poor.

Every gardening forum has a trade/free/sharing section for all types of plants. It is a widely accepted and much appreciated practice among fellow gardeners.

roseanngutierrez, many modern roses created in the US are patented, which means that it is illegal to propagate by cuttings, even for personal use. Many of us respect this, as we know some of the hybridizers, and would never want to interfere with the tiny amount of revenue that they receive, or with their property. Even if the plant isn't currently in commerce, it is still considered intellectual property. Not everyone agrees with this, but those of us who have been close to a hybridizer (or two or three) understand. Trading of protected plant stock is not "widely accepted", at least not in rose land. It might be done, but we do make people aware when a plant is currently under protection.

Hi Diane,

Thank you for saying this so eloquently and so much better than I could say this.

Hello Chris and Diane,

Thank you both for this information.

I see this thread is fairly old, however, I am curious if there is a good website that would list current varieties and their patents so some of us novice gardeners do not mistakenly infringe these laws?

Thank you

Help me find usually has that info. But if the rose has been in commerce less than 20 years it is probably under patent

That's helpmefind.com --just in case you don't know that wonderful site.

PianoRose 10a So Cal: I know this is an older thread... so I’m hoping you’re still on here. Were you ever successful finding Pompon Veranda? And if so, how did it do for you? I’m in a similar growing zone, with warmer dryer climate year round... so I’ve heard it does very well in an area like ours.

Hi Ann !! Just another voice here in case piano rose dosnt check in . I have Pom Pom and it opens just fine . It’s very slow to open and it never drops its petals. It lasts so long in a vase everything else will be long gone while it is still going .

Mine is in a pot and not growing so fast that I think it’ll be happy in a pot quite a while . It’s had two bloom cycles already . There is no fragrance.

I have 2 potted Pom Pom in zone 6a, they opened Ok for me, but the weather here has been hot and dry in the high 80's to low 90's. Normally we have a lot of rain and temp in the high 70's to low 80's.

Hi Ann, Yes I was able to plant a few Pom Poms, and they performed just as LilyFinch described in her comment above. The flowers bloom in clusters and are a lot smaller than I thought they would be.

Oh good piano rose !! If you’d like we would love to see pics of your roses . Come play with us ! lol I get excited to see roses in this area , since I am new to it .

Oh hi! Haha, okay I'll try to post some pictures. I didn't take too many of Pom Pom because I was a bit disappointed in the blooms. But I have pictures of other roses that I can post.

PianoRose: I would love to hear in more detail what exactly about Pompon Veranda disappointed your. And please don’t hesitate to share your pictures of pompon veranda even if they’re up to your standards... I REALLY APPRECIATE seeing real life roses... and how the really grow and perform for people in their gardens... even if they’re not perfect. It gives me a true sense of what to expect... not just the pictures of the roses when they’re at their most beautiful but even of the roses on their worse day. How many years have you had your pompon? Where did you buy it? How big has the plant grown for you?

Also feel free to share photos of your favorite roses in your garden. I’m super excited to connect with other rose enthusiasts in similar zones... and exchange ideas.

Lilyfinch: Thank you for responding and sharing photos of your pompon veranda... your pompon is so pretty. Makes me wish I had one in my garden now. Would you mid sharing some more pictures? I would love to see how it lols in a pot. I might have to plant it a pot if I can’t find space in the garden for mine. How long have you had it? Is it a strong repeat bloomer for you? I would love to see how the size of its blooms compare to some of your other roses...would you mind taking some wide angle garden shots of your pompon. I’m excited to see more pictures of your beautiful Pompon. Where did you buy your pompon veranda?

Hi Ann, I bought my Pom Pom roses at Palentine Roses two years ago. I have two of them in the ground and one in a pot. They are beautiful roses. This is how mine perform. And all three are slow growers even though they get plenty of sun and water. The flower blooms are very small. Beautiful shape though. Pretty color. No fragrance. They do last a long time on the plant and when cut. I'll have to go back into my archives to find photos of the blooms.

Hi everyone,

These are the only Pom Pom photos I can find right now. If my roses bloom again this season I'll post more photos.

Ambridge Rose, DA

Evelyn, DA

Papi Delbard

Eden / Pierre de Ronsard

Happy mix of roses.

Earth Angel

Belle Isis, Gallica Rose

Crown Princess Margareta, DA

PianoRose 10aSoCal: you made my day with all those photos of your beautiful roses. Wha area of Southern California are you in... and what are the weather conditions like there? I’m near the Huntington Beach area just 5-6 miles from the coast. It usually sunny, warm and dry (but sometimes we’ll get a bit of humidity... like today). We do get afternoon off shore breeze coming from off the coast almost every afternoon.

You seem to have had A LOT of success growing several varieties of David Austin Roses. This makes me very happy to see. I love the overall look and feel of DA roses but Have held off on growing them… Because I had heard that they didn’t perform well in our hot and dry southern California climate. Seeing your gorgeous DA roses makes me really hopeful that I’ll be able to add some and successfully grow them in my garden. Do you grow all of your DA roses in full sun?... Do you have to grow some of them in some shade to protect them and prevent them from burning and struggling? I would love to learn more about how you’ve successfully grown so many gorgeous DA roses... and romantic style roses. Do you have one in particular that does EXTREMELY well for you... as far as re-peat blooms, with lots of blooms on a full, beautiful healthy plant.

So I saw all the hullabaloo about Pompon Veranda being under patent, is that still the case? It definitely was 5 years ago, but the HMF says it was bred in 1999. Is there any way to tell when it was introduced? Dave's Garden has an entry saying 2003 (so no longer under patent in 2 years) but I don't really follow how that all works. I think I'll have to just follow what everyone else did and get it from Palatine.

Here is some info about Plant Patents.

https://www.uspto.gov/patents/basics/types-patent-applications/general-information-about-35-usc-161

If you have the plant patent # you can probably search for it here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html

Thanks so much! I also found this resource--https://www.lib.umd.edu/plantpatents/search?query

If you put in the breeder code (AUSxxxxx, MEIxxxx, MASxxxxx, DELxxxx, KORxxxx) I think it works! I don't think this one is under patent anymore :)

Has anyone gotten a Pompon recently? where from? I am on the hunt!

Roses unlimited used to have it. check with them

I bought mine from Palatine Roses a few years ago. Their stock changes from year to year. Hope that helps.

Freedom Garden also has it from time to time, but will also custom propagate it.

@RoseannRG Utah, Utah County 7A @Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b Roses are only under patent for 20 years. Pompon was patented in 1999 and is no longer under patent. I'm surprised the guy from New Flora wouldn't clarify this.

I think this thread started 7 years ago, so it was still under patent then. Also Chris is a woman. She and her husband ran NewFlora until selling it a few years ago. I really miss her input on this forum as she went out of her way to personally comment on our issues and questions as they pertained to their fields of thousands of roses. It was precious information as she also knew what areas sold OR vs. grafted, etc. ...life goes on.

NewFlora had amazing roses. The new owner still sells in our area to big box stores. I still can not find the patent application date for Pompon Veranda. I noticed she called it intellectual property, which is different than patent. But it does tell me that it won't do well in wet PNW.....so it is off my list and this thread was super helpful!

I found the roses that you are looking for on Etsy. https://www.etsy.com/shop/FloralBoom?ref=shop-header-name&listing_id=1318648109

Here is the link. They have different colors of them. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1343572437/shrub-rose-pompom-veranda-live-plant?click_key=a2bbc0ebbf96820c41900905771b01d847f4b8d3%3A1343572437&click_sum=13e3073c&ref=shop_home_recs_16&frs=1&crt=1

Thank you Laurie! That's very kind of you!