Just a few colorful jades and things after a long winter?

9 years ago

Hello all..I wanted to say hello and show a few things after such a dreadful and still going on winter...How did yours fare?

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bens2bens

9 years ago

Hi,

yes also with the japanese names it is quite confusing and besides the fact that we don't perfectly understand their names, even in Japan they are often used synonymious for different cultivars.

As Oksana correctly have noted Kagetsu means Moon Flower. However, this is also the general word for a jade tree in Japanese ... so, jade tree = Kagetsu

To specify the particular cultivar there is always a second or third word added ...

Kagetsu Nishiki = Moon Flower Variegated (normaly this is Tricolor)

Ougon Kagetsu = Golden Moon Flower (Hummels Sunset)

Hime Ougon Kagetsu = Princess Golden Moon Flower (Small Leaf Hummels Sunset)

Hime Kagetsu = Princess Moon Flower (Small leaf Jade = Crosbys Compact)

Shin Kagetsu Nishiki = New Moon Flower Variegated (this is actually a synomym for Maruba and some others)

Maruba Kagetsu = Round Leaf Moon Flower

Maruba Nishiki = Round Leaf Variegated (actually the same as above)

As Maruba is already established here and elsewere, I would argue to keep this name for the cultivar. Alternatively one could use ShinKagetsu as I did in the beginning or choose a completely new name.

As far as I understood the japanese do not distinguish the simple Maruba (only light sensitive variegation) and the variegated Maruba (light sensitive variegation + green variegation that does not bleach) and use the same name for both.

here some older pics of my plants ...

common Maruba ... you can see that the whole leaf bleaches out and gets yellow (the middle alway bleaches last)

variegated Maruba ... you can see that some parts of the leaf stay green and don't bleach out

even though one cannot see a difference when the leaves are not bleached (the green state) in my opinion the difference in the bleached state is big enough to consider both as distinct cultivars. This is also corroborated by Mikes pictures ... maybe he could make another side-by-side view of his two plants for better comparison.

Ben

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myermike_1micha
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9 years ago
Oops, forgot the pics...lol

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The one above is about a foot high and the one below it is about 8 inches high.

Here is a few colorful CC and TC...One is kind of weird and I wonder if anyone else has it? The one with the very red veins..The other two are from across seas and from a good friend of mine locally.

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This one I shared with a few here and boy did it flower this winter..

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This one above I call bright lights...It brightens my day)
woodnative
9 years ago
Great pics mike and good to see you here! Love the jades and thanksgiving cacti!! That 'legolas' is fantastic but all are great!!
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Your plants always impress me! They look great! I love the variegated Legolas, and that CC is also impressive.

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myermike_1micha
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Hey you both..Good to see you too..I've been neglectful here and so sorry..)The plants keep on growing though)

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nomen_nudum
9 years ago
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of this and with out the basement lights ? Wonderful all of them , I'm loving
that unique red vine in the variegated cacti
Laurent - French Riviera (zone 9a)
9 years ago
Legolas is stunnig. I love the cactus with red veins, first time I see one. How does it survive and grow without green cells ? My variegated schlumbergera is very different.
kaktuskris
9 years ago
You always were the variegated enthusiast, and all growing so well, of course.
addicted2plants Southern IL USA
9 years ago
This is the first time I've seen a jade in bloom, they are stunning! You have some very unique plants, thanks so much for sharing.

Tracy
marguerite_gw Zone 9a
9 years ago
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My goodness, those plants are all splendid. This is the first time I got a chance to post on one of your threads, Mike. I hear you are the variegated succulent genius. I credit one of your old threads with getting me into jades.
nanzjade z5 MA
9 years ago
Mike, thank you for sharing, all your plants are out of this world. LOVE the 'legolas' and amount of white/yellow on the variegated jades are fantastic.

This morning I noticed the tricolor jades had much darker pink/purple hues and it has grown a little bit. Southern window.... also in windy, cold Mass.
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marguerite_gw Zone 9a
9 years ago
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Nancy, I love the shape of that tricolor jade. Is that all one plant, or was it several cuttings in one pot? I think for some reason or other it's hard to find a really handsome tricolor jade.
nanzjade z5 MA
9 years ago
Hi Marguerite, I have two pots of it... I'll show it in a new thread, I don't want to be pic heavy on Mike's post.
rina_Ontario,Canada 5a
9 years ago
Mike
nice to 'see you' - hope life is good.
Your plants are fantastic, you really know how to find the unusually colored ones! You must have some secret, or perhaps a hound like the mixed-breed ones or pigs that find truffles...:-)
I never had chance to see photo of TC/CC even slightly similar to your.
Great post, thank you for sharing.
Rina
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
Hey, buddy, I was so excited to see this Thread pop up today! Just got home from work and had to check these out! I can't wait to get some of my Jades anywhere close to the size of yours. I see some new varieties in there, too.

Did you give them all a rinse and a watering....and did you fertilize, as well?

Josh
myermike_1micha
Original Author
9 years ago
Nancy, THAT'S A BEAUTY!..I love teh shape and colors of that one..How did you get it to grow like that? Great job. Nancy, please show the pic here..This site allows for quicker access even though there are lots of pics..It much better now.

Josh, I had just finished watering them! The mix is so compacted now. that I have to sink them under water for a minute or two until the mix saturates them..When is it a good time to repot buddy? Thank you. I can't wait to see yours too..I did forget to post one in tough shape..It's strange looking but looks bad because it fell on the floor and I forgot it was there..I will post it soon). Yes, fertilize is key and cutting back to very THICK trunks..I will post a pic of teh trunks up close so you can see just how large they got.

Rina, thanks so much..If there is a weirdo colored one or rare one, I will find a way to get it. I do have a very kind and generous friend that hooks me up too..He is a rae kind too)

Marguerite..Thank you..They are the only ones I kept..I use to have hundreds to succulents, now just a few on my faves...They get premium space on my window sills next to my Orchids..Lol..Growing Orchids and Succulents in the same space, did you ever think that was possible?

Tracy, if you want a piece of that plant in bloom, let me know, ok? I sent out dozens of cutting a few years ago and I always wonder about them and how they are doing? I keep thinking a few post there's here but are forgetting to say where they came from..I see a few posted every so ofetn that look like mine, in which one time I was the only one that had this Jade. Cuttings from this Jade have actually ended up in Europe and Germany and many other places and I wonder just how much of it has been shared from my original cuttings?

Chirs, Addicted, Chris , Laurent and Nomen, thanks a million..I am in love with these babies..

Rob I owe you, but you have not sent me a reminder e-mail..So sorry buddy..You should see the little ZZ plant you sent..Want me to take a pic of it for you?

Night all and thanks again..
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
As for re-potting in your area....not yet! Got to wait for the warmer weather, I'm afraid. It's been so warm here, though, that I went ahead and re-potted all the rare variegates that you sent me.

Josh
whip1 Zone 5 NE Ohio
9 years ago
Mike,
I'd love to see a picture of the ZZ! I hope it's growing well for you. I thought I sent an email. maybe I didn't. I've been pretty busy too!

As far as repotting, I'd wait until mid June.
Rob
camellia1_gw
9 years ago
Wow! Absolutely amazing plants as usual! Thanks for posting as I have always enjoyed seeing pics and postings from you and many others on here.
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
Yep, I'm so glad that Mike was finally able to dig out of the snow and take some pics, haha!

Josh
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
Mike might possibly have the largest 'Legolas' in the world at this point.....

Josh
camellia1_gw
9 years ago
That is one impressive plant! I started fertilizing my plants last year and some turn green while his stays variegated with lots of colorful leaves. (I'm so confused.) He has that magic touch!
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
I fertilize, as well, but mine hold their variegation (for the most part).
Of course, I'm also growing cuttings from Mike's plants, so that helps I think.
The problem I have is the sunbleaching that occurs on certain variegates in
my Summer sun. I'd actually prefer that they hold onto more green!

Josh
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
Hey, Mike, this table is all from you :-)

Josh
wantonamara Z8 CenTex
9 years ago
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That red veined CC is a stunner. Is it a slow grower?I am not usually a huge variegated plant lover but I do like the structural quality to this variation.
Martin
9 years ago
Mike,

the Legolas is amazing. When you will have some cutting, can you please let me know?

Is that clasical Maruba Nishiki? Or variegated one?

Martin
camellia1_gw
9 years ago
Mike,

I bought a Christmas cactus last year that ended up looking like your Thanksgiving cactus with the red veins. It was green when I got it.

I thought it might be nutrient deprived but it looks the same with fertilizer. I've read about too much light so I moved it a tad. It still has the red veins not as pronounced.
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
Martin,
I think that Mike has both the regular Maruba Nishiki as well as the even more variegated one.

Josh
ehuns27 7a PA
9 years ago
Mike, your plants look amazing!

That Legolas is absolutely stunning. It's definitely the largest I've seen and has a really great balance of white and green leaves. Do you pinch back the white ones often or has it grown like that naturally for you?

Thanks for sharing!

-Erica
oks2n2_Siberia1
9 years ago
Mike
magnificent variegates! Is there Kagetsu Nishiki on the first pic? Do these white leaves turn green in the winter?
bens2bens
9 years ago
Mike, welcome back on GW. Nice to see some pics of your plants and the progress they made. Your Maruba kagetsu (shinkagetsu kagetsu) is stunning, even more your "mature" Legolas ... they indeed seem to grow like weed under your conditions.

is this the variegated Maruba i once have send to you?

... how about your finger jade with the white tips. Was it stable under your conditions? The cutting you have send to me became completely green over time.

All the best,

Ben
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
Oksana, that is Maruba Nishiki in the first pic. Usually, the white leaves do turn more green during the Winter, but Mike's have remained quite white/yellow so far.

Josh
myermike_1micha
Original Author
9 years ago
Hey Josh...Thanks a bunch pal..Even I couldn't remember the name..Sheesh..I will wait as you all say until June sometime..Thank you. I think I do have the largest one of all..I never thought of that..When the weather gets nicer, I will take better pics outside)

Yes the leaves have remained bright colored because I have kept them in sunlight on the sunny window sill..I am shocked that the color stayed when last winter the leaves reverted to more of a green under light!

Ben, hey!! Yes that is the cutting you sent me last year..Can you believe it? That finger jade dies a long time ago..It fell to the ground and I didn't notice until it was dead(( So good to see you..Remember the other one you sent me at the same time? I will post that soon..It almost forget to water it and it looks horrible but it is coming back great!

Oks2n2...They can revert to green if given little light in the winter..Bee there done that..But this time it really is holding on to color quite dramatically!

Erica...Would you believe that that is the way it grows..I have yet to cut it back...I have taken a cutting or two but never pinched it back..I grows into a good shape on it's own..I love this one..I will take better pics and of the trunk again this week) Thank you for your kind comments.

Rob, I will take pics tomorrow..I sure will..

Camellia...Stunning..I can see how beautiful that TC will look when bigger..So beautiful..Thank you for sharing..

Josh, I just noticed your pics..Just amazing pal..I love them all! By the way, you are right, I do have both, one of the more variegated..I also a have a third of a whole different nature..I will take a pic of that tomorrow..Your good pal and thank you again.

Martin, I will think about that)

Good night all..I will post more pics this week...)
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
9 years ago
Right on! I'm looking forward to any pics, as I know we all are! :-)

Josh
oks2n2_Siberia1
9 years ago
Hi Mike, Ben and Josh!
I've argued with Ben already about the name Maruba. Maruba is Ovata in Japanese so it isn't cultivar name in my view. This cultivar is 'Kagetsu Nishiki' = Moon Flower variegata. And variegated Kagetsu Nishiki is 'Shin (new) Kagetsu Nishiki'. They are Maruba (Jap.) or Ovata.

And my winter is continued.
Martin
9 years ago
Hi, does anybody have the comparison photo of Kagetsu Nishiki and Shin Kagetsu Nishiki?

Martin
Martin
9 years ago
Thanks Ben, now is clear to me.
Laurent - French Riviera (zone 9a)
9 years ago
Very interesting ! Thank you Ben !
camellia1_gw
9 years ago
Always Great Information from the Pros! Thanks! Love that variegated Maruba!
ehuns27 7a PA
9 years ago
Thanks Ben for the information. I have a Maruba Nishiki at home waiting to be potted!

-Erica
rina_Ontario,Canada 5a
9 years ago
Ben

Great info, thank you for sharing & making it clear...I am saving all this info.

Oksana,

Your plants are beautiful. The color is great, beautifully compact - no sign of etoliation (you are using supplemental LED lighting, correct?). Your watering regime must be right on too.

Wishing you early spring too...Rina
oks2n2_Siberia1
9 years ago
Ben
did you read chinese sources? I seem these cultivars were first bred in China rather than in Japan. And the Chinese are distinguished the Tricolor (goose flies) from the Moon Flower.
But I agree the Japanese call all Jades as Kagetsu.
The "Moon Flower" hieroglyph in Chinese is wrote "Kagetsu" in Japanese. And the Japanese didn't translate this word and read / write as Kagetsu.

Rina

thank you! Yes, I use LED fixture. But my Shin Kagetsu is full green(

We still have 14F.
bens2bens
9 years ago
Hi Oksana, no i did not read the chinese sources. Maybe you are right and Maruba/Shinkagetsu originally comes from China ... would be good to have some asian succulent collectors here for clarification :)

Ben
marguerite_gw Zone 9a
9 years ago
I recall Crassula arborescens used to be known familiarly as Chinese Jade. I suppose it became Silver Dollar Jade when it came to the US from South Africa via China? Does that seem likely?
myermike_1micha
Original Author
9 years ago
Oks2n2, amazingly beautiful plants you have there..Good job and thank you.

Ben, wow..Thank you so much for all that info..I have yet to take a few GOOD pics in the sunlight and that will be soon. I have another jade missing from here that I got from you, actually two and I will show them soon. I hope things are getting warm for you too on the other side of the pond). That common Maruba is such a translucent bright color..Wow